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Let's be honest. The society we live in generally accepts only monogamous sexual relationships, which allows only for homosexual or heterosexual possibilities. Nothing more. Flip on any TV or watch any movie, and you see only "gay" or "straight" couples. You don't see three men or three women in bed together because that's not monogamous. So, two men and one woman, two women and one man, two men and two women, or more just doesn't compute for most people. It's so ingrained in our society, polygamy is a crime. That's why even the original poster on this thread admits they don't bring playmates home. That's also why even the LGBT movement stays away from swinging as a cause. That's why 99.999% of folks on this site would never be so foolish as to inform coworkers, family, or non-swinging friends they are swingers. The prejudice and fear which pervade our society don't instantly evaporate from a person on account of the notion to have multiple sex partners, or creating a public profile. Prejudice and fear drive folks every day to actively seek out anyone who is assumed to fornicate; especially when not in a male-female monogamous relationship; and take every measure to destroy that person in every way, including public humiliation, incarceration, and death. Swapping partners is much more feared than monogamous homosexuality.

Most straight or straight male/bi female swinging couples will not knowingly play with a couple if they know the male is even bi-comfortable because most straight men fear any male contact will mean they are permanently stigmatized as "gay". It is a real and honest fear. It's as real and honest as the fear one experiences when standing next to a floor-to-ceiling window on the 30th floor they don't experience on the 2rd floor, even though the risk of death is the same. This fear is especially promoted among males from birth, but not among females. Thus, more couples in the lifestyle encourage female-female play than keeping the women straight, but steer clear of any possibility of male-male play.Pointing fingers at others because of the orientation labels they choose only perpetuates the fear and hatred all swingers dread.

The reality is you never know how a person will behave during a sexual encounter until you're having a sexual encounter with that person. Even so, each encounter is different. Sometimes, someone (male or female) will be in a bi mood, homo mood, or hetero mood, and that mood may change during the course of an encounter. The chemistry between any two people will greatly affect the sexual energy between them. Finger pointing or having an agenda, like "he has to suck my dick before fucking my wife", spoils the mood, and has the effect of encouraging someone to retreat toward what is generally accepted in society. It's the same as a man expecting a woman he just met to have sex with him on the third date, come hell or high water.

If bisexual people want to eventually be accepted in society the way homosexual people have, they need to start accepting others for their sexual orientations, and allow themselves to cast aside all need for sexual orientation labels. We're all sexual. Putting a label on one's sexuality only limits possibilities. It doesn't allow for the limiltless possibilities we all have within.

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Understand what you are saying but I need to list straight for various reasons. I am now playing with a bi female and find it much worse when guys claim they are bi just so they can get laid!! In my opinion this is much worse than listing as straight and really being bi. She sets the fun up and when they show up they no longer suck cock or anything? Of course they really want to fuck her. These guys are total losers!

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I live in a small town and nobody knows that I have suck cock, and if they did know I would have to leave town. Since I say I am bi in my profile I don't have pics and that limits my action. I don't like the bi label anyway. I love women and I don't consider myself bi. When I am with a couple and she likes to watch the guys suck and j/o then I will gladly and eagerly do what she wants. I just believe you should do anything to pleasure the people you are with.

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The problem is everyone has their own definition of bi ,and everyone wants everyone else to adopt their definition. We have every definition from those who say if you ever even touched a cock you are a fag for life, to those who say in order to be "truely bi" you must give & recieve anal with men just as freely as you would fuck a woman. SLS gives only two options, bi & straight, and leaves us to select the one that "best describes" us. If a guy who gives head occasionally, plays straight 99% of the time, and considers himself 99% straight, lists as straight, who are we to judge him a liar because his definition of bi does not match ours? Truth is, I get called a liar alot more now that I list as bi, because I won't do anal, than I did when I listed as straight and occasionally sucked a dick.

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If we email a "straight" guy, we just send a generic, "Hi, we find you attractive. Check out our profile and if you happen to be into how we like to play, feel free to write us back"

A few will write back, "Sorry but I really am straight"

MOST...LOL... MOST Write back all for it.

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Lots of folks feel that way, and if it works for them, that's fine. Having said that, I think guys have their own reasons for listing as they do, and if it works for them, that is fine too. As long as they keep me in the loop about what is truly going on with them, I have no problem with how they list on their profile. It does make it harder to find them though.

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We are fed up with both people claiming straight in profile and being bi as well as those saying curious that know damn well they are in for the bi thing. Men and women just put who you are in your profile. It will save thousands of minutes of wasted time as well as potentially energy as people wont make trips for nothing. Now if you truely bi, let us know.

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I'm sure sabrinasslave has never told a fib. Especially to sabrina. Sabrina of course would never think of uttering an untruth to her slave.

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--"bi males and honesty"

All Bi Males lie !

Did I just lie ?

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I prefer to ask questions instead. I myself prefer not to play with most bi men. Yes. True.

The guys we play with are typically the "orally friendly" type. AKA straight. We both share his and they both share mine.

Zero additional risk having sex with ANY of us. My wife would be sucking his, and she sucks mine. So what the hell is the difference if she AND I suck his and She AND he suck mine?

What scares me is......The number of STRAIGHT listed guys, who will read our profile and send us something to the effect of....."I want to fuck you and have your husband fuck me at the same time and cum in my ass"

Now those are the types of "bi" guys WE try to avoid.

I scroll a lot of different sex sites. Classifieds, CL, here, other swinger sites, gay sites....And one thing I notice is people use the same few pics everywhere.

I know "straight" guys on here looking for couples or women for straight play and even say things like "NO MEN!!!!" Then I can show you their profile on a gay hookup site as a bareback bottom taking all loads.

Its just like condoms. Its complete bullshit that when those topics come up 10 to 1, everyone is SAFE ONLY.

We're not active every week but we have had our share of experience over the years and it is 100% fact that no matter who we have met, couple or single, no matter what we discussed in advance, either my wife or me had to stop things as they were getting ready to slide in or slide on. Condoms were not even a thought in their mind, be it first timers, or experienced that we met.

My wife pointed out at the swing club that of all places, condoms were very seldom used. And we watched people meet, hookup, swap, move on to others, and not a rubber in sight. (Yes there were some, but there sure were no shortage of complete strangers who didnt even have a profile to view, just sticking bare)

I watched one woman take on at least 5 guys, and the ones that approached her with a condom on, she pulled it off. Nobody walked away.

Some people flame me for my "opinions" but thats reality, like it or not.

I dont believe for one second that all men listed as straight are except for almost every single guy in a 50 mile radius. So if we are getting emails from almost every guy in our area, and they are cool with bi play. Do you think theyre not emailing "no bi men" couples?

Is it just coincidence that nobody has ever showed up with condoms? And nobody has ever brought it up unless my wife had them scattered within arms reach. And that most will ignore the rubbers all over the place and still try to "let it slip"

So just explain to me how thats all possible. When you read the forums and bi men are supposedly the outcast minority and everyone shows up with a 30 pack of trojans.

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