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User Details are only visible to members.	Valovers, you obviously understand the subtleties of sampling, and probably have a good feeling about swinging in general. What's your guess as to the proportion of couples who swing on a more-or-less regular basis? We always ask that question to couples we meet and you'd be surprised at the wide range of guesses people make.
Pittsburgh PA			Username hidden (1153 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	some couples get off more by going seperate/ They love the idea of coming home and replaying what went on.. We have a couple friend and this is how they always play. What comes to mind, you say for the past few weeks you have been playing with them on a steady basis.It sounds as if he is suggesting that you take his wife and she go with him.That sort of says they know what they want to do.You just have to decide if that is for you. We do not care for emotional ties, we also do not care for exclusive play.Both of these are problems to us. We have never been emotional nor have we been exclusive to or with anyone. We have been with couples who thought that we should be emotional and exclusive. We talked with this one couple 3 times after I put a stop on the sex.They could not accept NO and wanted to have tiem to change our minds.To much emotion there. Another time a couple thought we were exclusive. How we found out. They started looking for our car in the parking lots of a few pubs. When they located us, If I was talking to another female she would come over, jump in my lap and start to kiss me.It did not matter to her that this or that couple were vanilla people, we just met or swingers.How they got this notion that we were exclusive is way beyond us. We introduced them to our swing friends, we also took them with us to after parties to introduce them to others.This has been the only time we have had anyone mistake a sexual relationship with being exclusve.On the other hand we have had several that have had an emotional attachment. On the emotional attachment, we believe that happens quite a bit for a major reason. They have had great fun, have done things out of the norm for them and have really enjoyed it. They see to think that every time you get together it will be the same thing, wild and crazy and out of character.Hence the desire to be with you ,infatuation more then emotional. The couples that have had this with us can't believe how fast I can cut off the relationship without having to much concern on the emotional front.We only have emotion for each other , our family and our true good friends.
Sarasota FL			Username hidden (2070 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Anytime, Bill. No charge! :-) Jim
South Riding VA			Username hidden (8158 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	I don't want to go on about statistics and sampling, but I have to add one more thing and then I'm not going to say any more about statistics. No matter how large a group you sample from, there is NEVER any individual in the group that is exactly what the group average is. What averages and standard deviations do is give you a measure of central tendency and a way of quantifying what percentage of the individuals in that group will fall within a specified amount of the statistical average. There is absolutely no way to predict how any one individual selected at random from the sample would measure up compared to average. Statistics apply to a GROUP, not to an INDIVIDUAL.
South Riding VA			Username hidden (8158 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	I agree if you could get a large enough sample group to answer honestly you could come up with averages and trends, however I tend to doubt that anyone in the sample would exactly match the results. People are just too individual. Example, I've seen a few studies on what the average hippy is. Doesn't match me or anyone I ever knew. Some aspects are similar, but no match. We have a very diverse group of individuals here with only one thing in common with all, we all like sex. Smiles Mike
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User Details are only visible to members.	Actually, Mike, scientific study of humans is abundant - just not of swingers. Humans are indeed incredibly variable, but all you need to do is get a large enough sample size and you can very accurately describe them as a group - averages, extremes, percentages in various categories. No problem. The problem is getting funding to conduct a study of swingers. Can you imagine the flak some foundation or government agency would catch if they funded such a study of swingers? Jerry Falwell would go berserk! Also, because of the discretion issue, swingers are not likely to just step forward to volunteer to be included in such a study, and even if they did it would invalidate the study because it's not a random selection of swingers, but a self-selected group. And even if somehow it were possible to get a very large sample (say, 50,000) swingers selected at random from the millions of swingers in this country alone, just how honestly would people answer the questions of a researcher? So you see why there is so little factual data about swingers. It sure would make a fun dissertation for some doctoral student though, wouldn't it? Visit swing clubs all over the country and interview swingers galore! Might make some interesting friends in the process! There are some things that are extremely difficult to get the truth about. How would we get accurate information, for example, on the proportion of the population who cheats on their spouses? By interviewing them? I hardly think so! Who would admit it? Same thing with trying to get information on the proportion who cheat on their income taxes, or who use illegal drugs. You can't simply interview people and expect an honest answer. In grad school I took a statitstics course on "sampling techniques." The professor one day came in chuckling over the latest copy of the Journal of Statistics, or some such journal. I probably have the name wrong. Anyway, he read to us an article titled "How to Get The Answer Without Being Sure You Asked the Question." LOL You sit people down at desks in a room, just like in school. On each desk is a randomly shuffled deck of cards, consisting of 3 types. One third of the cards in the deck have a red circle on them. One third have a green circle. One third have a yellow circle. Sounds like traffic lights! LOL Everyone gets a survey questionnaire. No names or identifying features are put on the answer sheet. You draw a card from your deck before answering each question. If you get a red circle, you automatically answer no, whether or not that is the truth. If you get a green circle, you automatically answer yes, whether or not that is the truth. If you get a yellow circle, you answer truthfully. When you turn in your answer sheet, there is no way anyone can tell if you answered a question truthfully or because the color of the circle you got determined your answer. But you can get the information you're after by analysis of the difference between the percentage of Yes and No answers you get and a 50:50 split, which is what you would get if answers were entirely due to drawing a red or green card. Complicated, but possible. Now all we need is to identify a gazillion swingers, select 50,000 of them at random from that group, and get them all to sit down and take a survey on swingers and swinger behaviors in just such a methodology. Fat chance! LOL Jim
South Riding VA			Username hidden (8158 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Jim, One of the great things about the lifestyle is that it opens the mind and frees the spirit. It's because of the freespiritedness that swingers defy scientific catorgorization. Believe me, as a faithfull follower of logic and reason, I've tried. I believe the lack of scientific facts about swinging is due to the fact we are dealing with humans, each with their own individuality, each with their own set of "facts" that they have developed through their own minds opening and their own freeing of spirit. As a scientist, your whole career is based on logic, reason, and drawing conclusions that are consistant. I'm sure you've found that humans are anything but logical, reasonable, and consistant. My wife said to me awhile back, "Quit trying to figure it all out , just relax and enjoy the ride!" I found that statement to be quite logical, lol. Mike
Bedford PA			Username hidden (5527 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	These forums may be based on (mostly) opinions, but that doesn't make them any less useful--in my opinion (of course). I'm basically interested in knowing what people's opinions are on various subjects. Also the sharing of experiences (are those facts? as in "it is a FACT that this happened to us") is very helpful to all. Yes, all of the above was "in my opinion" (gets tiring to have to keep repeating the mantra...)
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User Details are only visible to members.	LOL!
South Riding VA			Username hidden (8158 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	You sure are sexy when you talk like that va :D M-she
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