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Mike THANK YOU for that.

That is exactly what a psychologist would likely point out. When things get to the point of a frenetic NASTY insistence on WHO is RIGHT and who is the idiot that's WRONG, application has already been hijacked by domination.

It smells of ISSUES -- dominance and control issues. Dominance and control issues are the PRIME THING swingers should watch out for in prospective partners for them and their mates. Yes you can tell from an email or postings on a website.

The people here explaining the bareback phenomena are just trying to explain how in a rare situation it is something to shoot for -- an undeniable truth -- and situation -- sought by millions of people. Sport fuckers do not represent the entire swing community, and for them it is mostly a stupid idea -- for them.

The closer you get to carefully considered polyamory the more it is possible to responsibly go native with your sex, of course with due caution and grand restriction on numbers of partners. Of course that means nothing to some, who will claim that level of intimacy does not and should not exist. They actually are speaking of themselves most often, and the level of honesty they give and expect in their particular type of interaction.

But if you try to point it out, some will call you an idiot -- and these have a further pathology. Especially interesting are those who do this here who do not feel they are competent or available to be swingers and are here for social reasons. To them this sort of head pecking and domination game is being social -- yet they address a forum in which they are already more dysfunctional than the mean -- duh!. If swingers take the advice of those who are not able will they, too become dysfunctional as swingers? It is so cool how complex yet obvious our warts become visible when we get naked for fun!

It is still the truth, you can go bareback with others if you are very focused, sensitive, smart and you care about details, and you can do it with a level of risk that is lower than many swing practices. You have to spend your time being smart and sensitive to do it -- and remember that the stupidest among us often feel themselves the smartest -- and that can apply to us all. But it can be done well.

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Perfect, I asked for an explanation of the 90% and one in ten that you seemed not to agree with. Instead all I got was you playing with marbles.

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Luvs and I understand the risks in barebacking very well. I brought to light a study that determined that the average number of fucks with an HIV infected person needed to transmit HIV to an uninfected person barebacking is 200. It's the only recent study I'm aware of.

Barebackers attempt to reduce their risk in other ways that condom users can also utilize. Why? Because using a condom reduces the pleasure for some to the point that it simply is not sensual enough. They want sex within an order of magnitude of what they are used to with their mates, or why bother?

Barebackers tend to be older people who had their sport fucking days when HIV didn't exist. They tend to be into few partners and more intimate friendships. They tend to have vasectomies, which reduces HIV transmission. They tend to be circumsized, which reduces HIV transmission in half. They tend to have far fewer partners than condom users, which reduces risk. But condom users can also do all these things and be ten times safer.

The point is that barebackers judge their risk low enough to enjoy intimate play with a few friends or they don't play. Condom users can lower their risks even further. So why do some few of the condom users here have to play the hysteria card when barebacker do differently than they do???

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I don't care what anybody does. Wear a condom or don't. Just inform your potential partners that you don't AND be HONEST with yourself and others about the additional risks you take.

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Man has this topic gone in the opposite direction of what the OP wanted. It went from what is the attraction to those that go without a condom...to who's approach is safer...then who's right and who's wrong.

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lmao!

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Excuse me fellows but Rayne's post is full of the obvious.

Did you guys consider that new information or assume nobody else considered those things?

You fellows want to pretend that your relative risk is OK and the other relative risk is not. But you are too yang on it.

Your contentions here have more to do with sporting jabs, one-upsmanship and pretending you know as much as anybody else than they do medical risk. That's pretty obvious.

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Rayne did make a very good post. I already know that luvs can't argue the facts.

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Sport fuckers and people more polyamorous are a little different.

You have your reasons to communicate the way you do -- the PA couple got their impression of you from what you wrote and they understood both points.

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confrontational.....only when somebody is bullshitting insulting..... Hey, sometimes the truth hurts troll...not even close

The angst is over delusional people rationalize the risk of bareback sex in the lifestyle.

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