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making a blanket statement that those that are vas safe and usually refuse to wear condoms is absurb.To say that these people are not worthy of getting to know is way out there. There are as many who are not vas safe that refuse to wear a condom.Are they trying to show their manhood.If your done raising a family why would you not want to have the surgery?Specially if your playing around. Have you never lost a condom in the past? Has one never broken on you?If your answer is no to either one then you have not had sex long enough or lying. These are not reasons to not wear a condom. Just simple fact that a condom only helps to a degree and not to the degree that people think.Some have no clue on how to put a condom on. They have it so tight ,that cum drips out the edges.Not safe.Or they are to loose Its called a preference, if you chose to not play with someone who does not wear a condom then move on towards another couple.Do not condem a couple who sees it differently.Perhaps there idea that condom use by another is: what are you afraid to give us.Stupid yes but not entirely off base. Its not a death wish. Using the terms here and caling it a death wish even with condoms it would still be a death wish as its not a totally safe practice also.Do you practice oral with a condom?dental dam?Your taking fluids internally there also.So many want it one way but will not pratice it totally which then means its nothing more then hot air.

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Danny,

Given your passionate criticism of couples with v-safe men, it seems ironic that you and your wife are actively seeking couples with bisexual men. There are plently of swingers who feel that bisexual men should be avoided like the plague and that they have no place in the swing scene.

Personally, we don't believe couples in either category are deserving of harsh criticism. To us, these issues are merely two additional factors that go into determining our compatibility with other couples.

Denver CO
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Hmmmm. Well, I have a vasectomy AND use a condom. Hope that works.

Culpeper VA
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It must be a Michigan thing . . . .

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<<Those that need to say surgically safe as an enticement to meet them will not accept condom use more often than not>>

That does NOT jive with our experience at all. Condom use, or lack thereof, is just as prevalent among those men still fertile as among those with vasectomies.

Stating that one is surgically safe only adds ONE degree of safety, but it's one more than those who are NOT surgically safe can claim.

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Danny, I'm totally with you on this. I do not understand why that is the only criteria to condom use. Furthermore, there has been a thread running for some time on vasectomies. From what I could see much helpful information was passed around but I did not get the part where several posters stated that a man owed it to his swing partners to have a vasectomy. No we don't think there's truly safe sex but what rock are people living under that makes them not want to practice safer sex?

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