What is the definition of victory in Iraq: Swingers Discussion 752181041

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TOPIC: What is the definition of victory in Iraq

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User Details are only visible to members.	Definition of victory? Well, I don't know much about the oil business, so my answer will have to be a bit sketchy. Please bear with me... 1. A government that can keep sufficient stability as to allow for the unencumbered exploitation of petroleum 2. A governemnt that will be willing to sign oil contracts to the liking of western oil companies, mostly US companies (and UK too). This actually happened recently in Iraq, so the question is very timely! 3. The government must also play game, a la Saudi Arabia, increasing/decreasing the volume of pumped oil so as to keep the price of the barrel of oil consistent with US interest of the moment 4. Very important, the government must refrain absolutely from any ideas about selling oil for any currency other than US dollars 5. The government must be willing to pursue neo-liberal economic policies (aka, globalization) and abandon the economic nationalism pursued under the previous regime I think that was pretty much the goal of this war, and hence the definition of victory. How likely are we to get all that? At this point I'd say about a 1 in 20 chance. Not impossible, but very unlikely. I would recommend we cut our losses and leave that place so we can try at least not to lose Afganistan (now, THAT would be embarrasing...)
Pittsburgh PA			Username hidden (1153 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Excellant!!!!!!! LOL And if techie wants to delete a post so be it. Must have been very juicy there JNM....
Saint Louis MO			Username hidden (12119 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	I have arrived at the conclusion that Iraq is like a barbed arrow that we can't afford to rip out. We have to transition out of Iraq on our own terms. We must first have a leader to establish those terms clearly to the American people, without making it look like conditions or a time table. That is the tricky part. People are willing to support this war so long as they know that it won't last forever or that there is a competent strategy in place to succeed. Looking at the current field of Presidential Candidates, I see Hilary as being a weather vane who turns in different directions according to public opinion. I see Obama as being someone who would be more like a Liberal George Bush, now let me explain that. He has very little experience in government let alone in a position of leadership. He seems to make people feel good, yet no one can really explain his positions. He is the darling of the democratic party, much like Bush was during the 2000 primaries. He seems to have a inexperienced quality about him that will make who he hires as his chief advisers a good indication of what kind foreign and domestic policy he will adopt. I see Obama as someone who can easily be manipulated by more experienced world leaders who call themselves our allies. Gullianni may make a decent president, but I would really like to see Mccain win it. A war vet. A veteran senator. A true Bi-partison. And someone who can make tough decisions and even take un-popular decisions and still command a great deal of respect from his Critics. Basically I will define victory in Iraq by the Leadership of this country starting in 2008. The current Administration appears to be unable to resolve this war before the end of Bush's term. Victory or defeat will depend on 08'. Sorry I'd been gone for a while guys, AI season has begun and I have to spar in the AI Forums with the most vicious of posters on the internet........teenagers........
Arlington TX			Username hidden (2285 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	STFU nut.
Goose Creek SC			Username hidden (1690 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	You advocate nazi censorship tactics and call me "racist"? Akorn you're the biggest loon I've ever had the displeasure of crossing cyber-paths with.
Goose Creek SC			Username hidden (1690 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	"so far not one convincing answer except mine which was deleted by techie." WTF? Deleting posts that don't agree with your politics again Techie? I've always held that this forum is not conducive to substantive political dialogue primarily because the guy in charge of the switch has an agenda.
Goose Creek SC			Username hidden (1690 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Not always...I do lose my cool now and then - lol.
Minden NV			Username hidden (4041 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Akron, welll said! I tend to be more tactful, but your point is supported by me.
Minden NV			Username hidden (4041 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	well the war against iraq was not started as a global war against terrorism. it was started for whatever reasons it was started for. if u really say that u cannot separate the two then i don't see how there can ever be a victory and we will be at "war" forever. i think u can separate the two but i am having trouble with what the "end game" is in iraq...
Philadelphia PA			Username hidden (5330 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	This is the problem DZZ you are seperating the GWOT and Iraq and you cant they are one in the same. And I already gave the answer on victory in Iraq.
Saint Louis MO			Username hidden (12119 post)

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