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TOPIC: What is Patriotism Choose your favorite quote, add one, or give us your own view
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What is patriotism in America?

I've provided a list of 10 quotations by Americans about patriotism. Which is your favorite and why?

Please feel welcome to add your own favorite quotation about patriotism or to make your own statement.

ADLAI STEVENSON: What do we mean by patriotism in the context of our times? I venture to suggest that what we mean is a sense of national responsibility ... a patriotism which is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime.

BARBARA EHRENREICH: No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

H. L. MENCKEN: The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.

CARL SCHURZ: My Country! When right keep it right; when wrong, set it right!

JAMES BALDWIN: I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.

EDWARD R. MURROW: We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.

HENRY STEELE COMMAGER: Men in authority will always think that criticism of their policies is dangerous. They will always equate their policies with patriotism, and find criticism subversive.

SINCLAIR LEWIS: When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.

THEODORE ROOSEVELT: To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. (1918)

RABBI SHERWIN WINE: There are two visions of America. One precedes our founding fathers and finds its roots in the harshness of our puritan past. It is very suspicious of freedom, uncomfortable with diversity, hostile to science, unfriendly to reason, contemptuous of personal autonomy. It sees America as a religious nation. It views patriotism as allegiance to God. It secretly adores coercion and conformity. Despite our constitution, despite the legacy of the Enlightenment, it appeals to millions of Americans and threatens our freedom.

The other vision finds its roots in the spirit of our founding revolution and in the leaders of this nation who embraced the age of reason. It loves freedom, encourages diversity, embraces science and affirms the dignity and rights of every individual. It sees America as a moral nation, neither completely religious nor completely secular. It defines patriotism as love of country and of the people who make it strong. It defends all citizens against unjust coercion and irrational conformity.

This second vision is our vision. It is the vision of a free society. We must be bold enough to proclaim it and strong enough to defend it against all its enemies.

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The Unilateral Disarmament Democrats: Putting Trial Lawyers Ahead of Your Family's Safety Newt

It's hard to think of an action that has put as many lives at risk as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D.-Calif.) declaration of unilateral disarmament in the War on Terror last week.

By refusing to renew our ability to monitor terrorist communications overseas, Speaker Pelosi has put Americans at risk. She has blinded our counterterrorism capability and shut down America's most sophisticated defenses against the irreconcilable wing of Islam. As of midnight last Saturday, the law governing America's defense is totally inadequate to stop terrorists.

Why? Because the Democratic left believes lining the pockets of trial lawyers is more important than stopping terrorists.

Suing Telecom Companies for Helping Keep America Safe

At issue is the extension of the Protect America Act that was passed last August to allow U.S. intelligence agencies to monitor foreigner-to-foreigner communications without a warrant. Congress has known for six months that this ability under the Protect America Act was set to expire on Sunday. So last week, by an overwhelmingly bipartisan majority, the Senate passed legislation to prevent the authority from lapsing.

But the House Democratic leadership, led by Speaker Pelosi, refused to let the House vote on the bill. This led to a House GOP walk out led by Minority Leader John Boehner (Ohio), who said, "We will not stand idly by and watch the floor of the United States House of Representatives be abused for pure, political grandstanding at the expense of our national security."

Why? Not because the bill lacked bipartisan support, but because it lacked trial lawyer support. The Senate-passed bill contains a provision granting immunity from lawsuits to telecommunications companies that have been cooperating with the government in the War on Terror.

Instead of putting her fellow Democrats in a position where they have to make a public vote in favor of trial lawyers over the safety of Americans, Speaker Pelosi opted to leave Washington for vacation.

'The President Just Wants to Protect American Telephone Companies'

As Robert Novak reported Monday, the trial lawyers -- the Democrats' most important source of political contributions -- have filed dozens of lawsuits seeking millions of dollars against phone companies for helping keep us safe by responding to the request of intelligence agencies to provide critical information about suspected terrorist communications without a warrant.

The continued cooperation of the telecom companies in monitoring terrorist communications is crucial to America's defense, which is why the Senate bill contained the immunity provision.

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Right JFK was a Democrat, not like the current liberal socialists/communists that have been allowed to take over the Democratic party!

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"

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Dzzy, you need to read a bit more if you cannot see the communism/socialism attributes of the left...it is quite clear, easy to see and understand. hitlary has been a marxist for decades, pelosi is a socialist...all you have to do is read.

I have posted in a variety of places facts, figures, sites, quotes and other reading material for those seeking the truth. ALL Americans should be very afraid of these people, we defeated communism/socialism, they do not work, and do not need it in America. Go to the web sites, I am not making this stuff up...Their own sites tell you the truth...the communist and socialist party in America, clearly say who they support, why and who is on their side.

I have pasted some in here so unless you do not want to see AND UNDERSTAND it is because you are one of them or just don't care about this Country...very simple really!

Now if you libs want to get a head start on hitlary and hussein, please take 1/2 your earnings and pass it around to those who do not have a job, buy a house for a poor person, buy a car for a homeless person. The rest of us do not agree with you, but please put your money where your mouth is and do it, no government should tell or force you to do what you believe in. Please be my guest!

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We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.

i like that one the best of the ones you listed but i like all which recognize that there can be different opinions in politics without the "i am right, your are an idiot" that is found in many places (mostly on radio) radio.

i don't get the communist analogy a litte bit destin.

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Our favorite: "THEODORE ROOSEVELT: To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. (1918)" S&J

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Exposing America’s Enemies, Part 2: Communist Progressive Democrats

By: Linda Kimball From Exposing America’s Enemies: the ‘Social Justice Seeking’ Communist Left, comes this relevant quote: “For over forty years the New Left has been waging a Gramscian ‘quiet’ revolution for the overthrow of America’s Constitution, Rule of Law, sovereignty, and our way of life. Today the subversives call themselves liberals, progressives, and Democrats (and) as David Horowitz attested to (the majority are) social justice seeking communists. “The Democratic Party is very close to being the (Communist-controlled Progressive) party of Henry Wallace…the vast bulk of the American Left is a communist left.” (How Marxism Dominates the Left, Phil Brennan, NewsMax*com, June 1, 2005)

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31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture:" Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. 32) Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc. 33) Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus. 34) Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. 35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI 36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions. 37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business 38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat. 39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals. 40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. 42) Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political, or social problems. 43) Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government. 44) Internationalize the Panama Canal. 45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

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How many of these Goals from the Communist of 1963 are now the primary goals of liberals and democrats in 2004. The more you read you more you can see the real plan of these anti-American shrills.

1963 Communist Goals The following was entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69) in 1963.

1) US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war 2) US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war 3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength" 4) Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. 5) Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites 6) Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination 7) Grant recognition of Red China, and admission of Red China to the UN. 8) Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the UN 9) Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress 10) Allow all Soviet Satellites individual representation in the UN 11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo) 12) Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party 13) Do away with loyalty oaths 14) Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office 15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US 16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights. 17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books. 18) Gain control of all student newspapers 19) Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack. 20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions. 21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures. 22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings", substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms. 23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art". 24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press. 25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV. 26) Present Homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy". 27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch" 28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state" 29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. 30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".

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What is patriotism in America?

I've provided a list of 10 quotations by Americans about patriotism. Which is your favorite and why?

Please feel welcome to add your own favorite quotation about patriotism or to make your own statement.

ADLAI STEVENSON: What do we mean by patriotism in the context of our times? I venture to suggest that what we mean is a sense of national responsibility ... a patriotism which is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime.

BARBARA EHRENREICH: No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

H. L. MENCKEN: The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.

CARL SCHURZ: My Country! When right keep it right; when wrong, set it right!

JAMES BALDWIN: I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.

EDWARD R. MURROW: We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.

HENRY STEELE COMMAGER: Men in authority will always think that criticism of their policies is dangerous. They will always equate their policies with patriotism, and find criticism subversive.

SINCLAIR LEWIS: When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.

THEODORE ROOSEVELT: To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. (1918)

RABBI SHERWIN WINE: There are two visions of America. One precedes our founding fathers and finds its roots in the harshness of our puritan past. It is very suspicious of freedom, uncomfortable with diversity, hostile to science, unfriendly to reason, contemptuous of personal autonomy. It sees America as a religious nation. It views patriotism as allegiance to God. It secretly adores coercion and conformity. Despite our constitution, despite the legacy of the Enlightenment, it appeals to millions of Americans and threatens our freedom.

The other vision finds its roots in the spirit of our founding revolution and in the leaders of this nation who embraced the age of reason. It loves freedom, encourages diversity, embraces science and affirms the dignity and rights of every individual. It sees America as a moral nation, neither completely religious nor completely secular. It defines patriotism as love of country and of the people who make it strong. It defends all citizens against unjust coercion and irrational conformity.

This second vision is our vision. It is the vision of a free society. We must be bold enough to proclaim it and strong enough to defend it against all its enemies.

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