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Helping the poor and the sick is a way to promote the general welfare of our nation and by doing it indirectly is the best format. By supporting those in the community who offer those services with tax breaks and even the money to support such efforts. How ever the time of handing the money to the individual who would squander the funds should be gone.

The government should be giving us the tools to produce the fruit, Not produce the fruit for us.

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redefine in the respects of what is the constitution. The preamble has never been redefined other than through interpratation.And on some ones opinion on what our founding fathers meant.

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John Winthrop, beloved of Ronald Reagan, also called upon the rich to care for the poor in his "Model of Christian Charity" speech that Reagan would cite in his speeches. UM I am just reading but he puts charity where it belongs with the church and the rich. So what you are saying is that the government cant trust the people to help. The same people they depend on to support the government of the people and by the people and for the people...

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"But we can not redefine the constitution."

That has to be one of the more uninformed things you have ever said, Lucky...

The constitution has been redefined 27 times. They are called amendments...

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Lucky2:

The Constitution is always being reinterpreted and redefined, and it is open to amendment.

There is no single, settled definition of terms such as "cruel and unusual punishment" or "promoting the general welfare."

The founders knew these terms were abstract words and vague and that they would need to be defined and redefined by later generations.

We are debating right now what is meant by "life" and pro-life people want to redefine the word "life" to mean the beginning of conception, but Roe v. Wade defines it differently.

The Constitution is not a document frozen in time. It is a living document, open to reinterpretation and amendment...and that is what the founders wanted.

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Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Jame Madison:

"I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable, but the consequences of this enormous inequiality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property.....

Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right....."

In other words, Jefferson essentially saw the use of taxation--especially taxation of those with the most property--as a way to lessen inequality between classes and a way to help the poor.

John Winthrop, beloved of Ronald Reagan, also called upon the rich to care for the poor in his "Model of Christian Charity" speech that Reagan would cite in his speeches.

We have a long tradition, going back to the founding fathers and earlier, of American political leaders calling upon government to be used for poor relief and for social justice.

It is a miserly, stingy richest country in the world that is unable to find a way to help people out of poverty with programs such as Head Start and to provide safety nets such as food stamps. For me, that is promoting the general welfare and practicing the spirit of Philadephia: brotherhood.

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We can be guided by what the founders meant, but if we were solely guided by the intentions of the founding fathers, the Constitution would still be justifying slavery. We can add or remove laws But we can not redefine the constitution.

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"A coop full of chickens on every farm, a mule in every barn, and a delivery of grain to every household"? Doesnt say anything about monthly...Its a one time offer what you do with it is up to you.

And all promote the General welfare, Chickens reproduce and provide food giving the farmer an access to earn, A mule will promote growth in the fields by providing work and by helping the farmer produce more for the nation to buy, promoting growth, And Grain again Oppertunity to grow more food to privide a farmer the oppertunity to produce more bread to feed his house hold for generations to come

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Who gets to define what is meant by "promoting the general welfare"? The Constitution is open to interpretation, and every generation must interepret what is meant by the words in the Constiution. We can be guided by what the founders meant, but if we were solely guided by the intentions of the founding fathers, the Constitution would still be justifying slavery.

Various acts of legislation providing food stamps, medicare, social security have all been found to be constitutional.

Jefferson, Paine, Franklin all believed in providing assistance to the poor. I think they would be in favor of interpreting promoting the "general welfare" to include forms of assistance--a safety net--for those at the bottom.

Stay tuned for quotes by Jefferson.

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Promoting the general welfare has nothing to do with welfare.

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