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By the way, do you think George H.W. Bush was color blind when he chose Clarence Thomas as his nominee for the Supreme Court?

He went with someone he thought would pass muster with congress. In my lifetime so far I have been passed over for positions to one black individual and a hispanic. I know this because I went back to see who got the position. My family suffered so that an unqualified person was hired over me. So when the last one occurred I said fuck it. Since then I have worked for my self and I have yet to hire any unqualified individuals for a job for the appeasement of the federal government. And I wont. I have two women who work for me. Outstanding individuals who have worked very hard and were qualified for their jobs. Affirmative action has enhanced prejudice instead of stemming it. IMHO

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Caretaker: "Your warm and fuzzy program [Affirmative Action] once again did not SOLVE anything...."

How foolish!!!

Why don't you ask Colin Powell if Affirmative Action made a difference for the military?

Why don't you ask the many members of a black middle class--a middle class that was very small before 1964--if Affirmative Action made a difference?

Why don't you ask the many women who've made significant advancement in once highly-male dominated fields, if Affirmative Action has made a difference?

You, in your relative callow youth--who does not remember what the professional worlds look like in pre-1964--should not be the one to declare it made no difference....

And, of course, the Con's favorite black man--Clarence Thomas--would not be on the Supreme Court without Affirmative Action.

So, again, was Bush racist for nominating him to the Supreme Court? Do you think Bush was color blind when he appointed him?

You make proclamations about the lack of success or failure of anti-poverty programs and Affiirmative Action from ideology not checking the evidence.

For a good perspective on the Affirmative Action, check out, Ira Katznelson's book, "When Affirmative Action was White: An Untold History of Racial Inequality."

By the way, Affirmative Action helped open up doors to faculty and administration positions in universities and colleges across the nation..... This is something I know first hand.....

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So those who think Affirmative Action is racist: Do you think George H.W. Bush practiced racist Affirmative Action when he nominated Clarence Thomas for the Supreme Court?

Thomas had below average--and some would say mediocrequalifications--for the job. He was certainly not in the top 25 of anybody's list for the most qualified candidates for the Supreme Court

Obviously, Bush took Thomas' color into consideration when choosing him and appointed someone much less qualified than many other extraordinary white judges (and extraordinary black judges).

Affirmative Action is a response to 170 years of racism against minorities. It is trying to reverse the long legacy of white supremacy and create a country that is more free, more equal more just. When there is more evidence that all people in the USA will be judge by their content of their character and not by the color of their skin or gender, then it will be time for Affirmative Action to end. We are not there yet.

The Congress and the Supreme Court disagreed with all those who call Affirmative Action racist and discriminatory when the legislation was passed in the 1970s.

For those of you who think Affirmative Action is racist: Ever try to consider why the Congress passed this law and why the Supreme Court upheld it?

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The current problem today with civil rights and affirmation action is that it has become a sanctioned form of reversed discrimination.

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Affirmative Action legislation should not be settled law, just as the Constitution itself should never be settled: Both should remain open for change, revision, reinterpretation, reconstruction, amendment in the light of changes in the country.

No law is settled law, and some laws are more unsettled than others.

But Affirmative Action was settled as something just and Constitutional.

To call it, simply, racist is the thinking of someone who has little or no sense of context or complexity.

I am ok with debate over Affirmative Action legislation, just as I am more than ok with debate over what should be meant by the "promote the general welfare" clause in the Preamble of the Constitution....and what is meant by "cruel and unusual punishment."

I hope some day capital punishment will be regarded as cruel and unusual.

The thinking that just goes around labeling something socialist, communist, racist, libtard , without taking into consdieration context, is the thinking that is dumb and dumber.

I see George W. Bush's appearance at Bob Jones University in 2000 during the South Carolina campaign to be an appeal to anti-black prejudice. I am confident in labeling Bob Jones University racist at the time (as it had a rule forbidding interracial dating and had been judged racist in a Supreme Court decision). But I would hesitate to call Bush a racist for speaking there. I don't think he is in a dangerous, despicable way, or even in a purposeful way. I suspect Reagan's motives for opposing the Civil Rights legislation of 1964, but again I hesitate to call him a racist without giving him the chance to explain his motivations. I also suspect he would change his mind about that vote, just as GHW Bush regretted his opposition to that legislation later on in his career.

Affirmative Actions is a complex issue... it involves a conflict between two rights--- a commitment to equality before the law and a commitment to justice....and I believe in using the legislation in a just way to create a more a USA where people are treated more equally.... For me, Affirmative Action is a conflict between two rights, not an issue of right and wrong.

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So Lucky2: You have not explained why the Supreme Court, many constitutional lawyers, and Martin Luther King Jr. would disagree with your contention that Affirmative Action is racist. Yes, it take race and gender into consideration, but race-consciousness is not racism. Affirmative Action represents a form of compensatory justice to overcome racism: it recognizes that America has not reached the point yet when race and gender will not be taken into consideration in hiring process in a negative way--to the detriment of minorities and women.

If we were truly a a society where racism did not exist, and where people are judged solely on the content of their character or their merits, then I say do away with Affirmative Action. It is not necessary.

I long for the day when Affirmative Action is not necessary, but that day has not yet come.

Studies have been done where job applications have been submitted with the very same qualifications but the names used on them are (1) suggestive as an African-American name (e.g. Shaniqua) and (2) unaccented with race (e.g., Susan). The plain names win out in the selection process.

Many people will have more hesitation about a name such as Barack Hussein Obama than Bob Dole, and a man appllying for a job--even the presidency--has, I'd say, a better chance with a name like Bob Dole or Bill Clinton than Barack Hussein Obama. (Note how posters in the Forum love emphasizing the Hussein, playing upon prejudice against Muslims.)

Affirmative Action ideally acts as a checking and balancing mechanism to make sure that prejudice is not operating in employment decisions, and it was part of the act of justice to help minorities and women enter professions and fields that had historically been governed by Affirmative Action for white men.

Fortunately, the legislators who passed Affirmative Action legislation and the Supreme Court who did not strike it down have a deeper and wiser understanding of political and social context--and a better sense of justice, I'd say--than you do.

Right now polls show that a significant percentage of Americans will not vote for a woman, or a black man, or a Mormon for president solely because of race, gender and creed. When polls show that only 0-2% of Americans will refuse to vote for a woman, a black man or a Mormon, then I say it is time to retire Affirmative Action.

We are heading in that direction.

By the way, do you think George H.W. Bush was color blind when he chose Clarence Thomas as his nominee for the Supreme Court?

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lucky i like that picture much much better than the old one...

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Except white people why is that?

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Already did explain but of course It doesnt sink in,,,,So how far was your education run that reading is an issue for you?

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Lucky2: "Civil Rights focused on the black community and left out three minority's (Red, brown, and Asians)."

Civil Rights legislation of 1964 and the Voting Rights act applied to all Americans and every minority.

I differ with you about Reagan's commitment to Civil Rights. Why did he oppose the Civil Rights legislation of 1964? Why did he try to overturn the Supreme Court's ruling that Bob Jones University could not be exempt from income tax because of its institutionalized policy of racism (it's ban on interracial dating)? Why do you think of Reagan's opposition to the Civil Rights legislation of 1964?

What do you think of Dick Cheney's vote against a national holiday for Martin Luther King, Jr.?

What do you think of Martin Luther King Jr's call for compensatory justice in the 1960s after 170 years of Affirmative Action for white males in the USA?

Do you think Colin Powell and Clarence Thomas would have gotten where they did without Affirmative Action?

Do you see any justice in Affirmative Action when it was first proposed (under Nixon's presidency) and legitimated by the Supreme Court?

If Affirmative Action is so racist, why haven't all provisions of Affirmative Action legislation been struck down by the Supreme Court? Obviously, some Supreme Court jusices have a different view of Affirmative Action then you do.

A commitment to free speech is not total in US law. There are times or conditions when freedom of speech is abridged, just as there are laws that abridge the right to bear arms (gun control laws). So too a commitment to equality or color blindness under the law is not 100% That commitment can be altered to take into considerations of justice, just as free speech can be abridged in favor of justice (e.g., libel is illegal).

Affirmative Action takes race and gender into consideration--it is conscious of those factors--but that does not make it racist. Done right, it is an act of overcoming past injustice and it is a quest to create a more equal and more just society.

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