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America's great research universities--such as Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, CalTech, MIT--are regarded as the best in the world, and Republican parents are very eager to get their children accepted into these "liberal" universities.

George W. Bush sent one of his daughters to Yale.

So how are these universities fucking up students? What is your proof for that?

20% of college students today are business majors (and only 4% major in the humanities), so if students are getting fucked up in college, some of it must be from their business professors?

The truth is that college educated people vote Republican in a higher percentage than high school educated students. Citizens with an education beyond college are the ones who vote Republican in the highest percentage.

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liberal profs are good at fuking up the students and being stupid...thats about it.

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Condi would WHOOP your liberal asses into hell!

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Destin: "Condi would whoop your liberal asses to hell."

Liberals should love Condi. She's proving to be such a mediocre Secretary of State, sucking up to George W. Bush, that she's left the USA with no significant record of accomplishment on any foreign policy issue...and she's helped leave the USA's reputation in Foreign Affairs severely tarnished.

Condi is a better than any political ad Hillary or Obama could generate to explain why we need a change in administration and change in mind-set from the terribly flawed policies of the Bush White House in foreign affairs.

Carter in 4 years came away with better foreign policy accomplishments through diplomacy and negotiation than Condi and Bush have done in 8 years.

Colin Powell, the best person on foreign policy in the original White House, jumped ship....as he saw it taking on water and being infested by rats.

So tell me: What, in your opinion, are the one or two best accomplishments of Condi Rice as Secretary of State and National Security Advisor. What has she taken a lead in doing that has made the world a safe and more secure place?

When historians write about Condi's accomplishments, what will they single out first and second for notice. Be specific.

Again, your foreign policy has all the intelliigence and sophistication of Rambo: it's all about whooping asses.

You seem to be the Jack Ripper of the Forum. Are you suffering from missile envy?

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Debjack:

I'll go with what Colin Powell says.

On faculty opinion regarding Condi as Provost, I have friends on the faculty through various connections , and you can read the Stanford Daily's article about reaction to the prospect that Rice might return to Stanford after 2008:

".....A number of faculty members spoke about tense relationships that characterized her tenure as provost....

Emeritus History Prof. Paul Seaver chaired a committee that shaped the Cultures, Ideas and Values (CIV) program, which focused, in part, on non-Western cultures. Seaver recalled his frustration when Rice eliminated the CIV program in favor of the current Introduction to the Humanities (IHUM) curriculum.

“She was very authoritarian,” he said. “The final confrontation over the CIV program was before a committee of some people from the [Faculty] Senate and so on, and in the course of her attack on the CIV program, she said ethnicity and gender and class are so ‘80s.”

“There was a kind of universal sigh of relief when she left,” Seaver added. “I think people who remember all of that will not be happy to see her. That’s true of ethnic faculty who had more run-ins with her than any of the rest of us. Our women faculty — black faculty in particular — and Hispanic faculty do not have fond memories.”

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Affirmative Actions programs are still receiving Constitutional approval. They have not been judged discriminatory. They are seen as forms of justice and a quest to overcome past discrimination and the long legacy of white supremacy in the America. Nixon was in favor of Affirmative Action as was Colin Powell. It's not just a liberal thing.

The time for Affirmative Action will be over when Americans can be more confident that racism and discrimination against women and minorities is over. Various studies show this is not the case. Affirmative Action can be abused. I am against any form of quota system. Affirmative Action demands that efforts be made to search out and consider for positions people of merit who are minority and women. It does not say that a minority or woman must be hired.

There's no longer an unofficial quota system that so many whites need to be on a pro basketball team or football team. Sports is a place where merit has replaced discrimination in ways where there are now not only more athletes on the field but coaches who are minority.

The Affirmative Action I dislike is when a person with mediocre qualifications--Clarence Thomas--is nominated by Bush for the Supreme Court. Thomas was clearly not in the top 50-100 judges most qualified for the job, and he was not the most qualified and distinguished African American for the job.

Condi Rice was judged by many at Stanford to be an average or mediocre Provost, and faculty there are not surprised to see that she has been a mediocre Secretary of State. Of course, sucking up to George W. Bush would make anyone mediocre.

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Debjack:

Yes, you missed something. Go read Colin Powell on Affirmative Action and how Affirmative Action policies helped transform the military...as did JFK's decision right at the beginning of his presidency to integrate the military.

How many black generals were there in World War II? How many black generals were there in the military before JFK and Affirmative Action went into effect?

There were fewer black generals without Affirmative Action (or when Affirmative Action was for whites before the 1960s) than there are minorities leading Fortune 500 companies. (95-96% of Fortune 500 Companies are led by white males.)

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Lucky:

You've offered a very thin, facile case for why Bush selected Clarence Thomas, and your response evades certain points (and my question).

Thurgood Marshall was retiring, and there was a need--a felt sense of a quota--to retain a black person on the Supreme Court. This was the expectation of Congress and the direction of American history, and Bush would have been seen as to uncommitted to Civil Rights or too committed to white power if he had turned the Supreme Court back to an all-white Supreme Court. It needed a token black, and Bush found one in Thomas. He found what was so difficult to find: a Conservative African American judge.

To find a black judge who could pass muster with Republicans, he had to go down deep in terms of standards of merit and qualification and select a judge who had mediocre qualifications for the Supreme Court and was certainly not in the top 50-100 jurists and legal scholars best qualified for the job. He also had to pass over distinguished black jurists such as Leon Higginbotham, who had a liberal judicial record.

Bush saw race when he selected Clarence Thomas, and he practiced Affirmative Action, selecting a mediocre African American over more qualified white jurists.

GW Bush did something similar with Condi Rice, who has also shown herself to be undistinguished as a Secretary of State. Colin Powell was a good choice: There was nothing token, or Affirmative Action, about his appointment. He got where he did because of merit in my book, but Powell advanced in the military because of Affirmative Action as well.

Note also that Colin Powell supports Affirmative Action.

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I just love it...the conservatives have left the lib's here writhing on the floor in mortal pain! Congrats guys and gals! ^5's

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DZZY thanks man.

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