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TOPIC: We have an AMERICAN CITIZEN ON AMERICAN SOIL accused of Terrorism
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"So innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to alleged (and that's all he is right now) enemies of the state? "

That's the tricky part, but yes. There will always be people who think he is 'alleged' at this point.

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"No, I would like naturalized citizen's to be denaturalized for crimes punishable by 5 years or more in prison."

Agree to disagree. No point in spinning the wheels any longer.

"I would like immediate designation of Enemy Combatant for foreign born citizens who commit acts against the country."

So innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to alleged (and that's all he is right now) enemies of the state? Or are you saying that once guilt is actually proven, then you immediately designate him/her/them an enemy combatant and proceed from there?

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"If convicted of a felony, I *could* lose my Green Card and be deported upon completion of any sentence I serve. "

I figured as much and don't disagree with that at all. Green Card holders are here legally and "permanently" but since they don't hold citizenship, their status can obviously be revoked at anytime if they fail to meet the minimal requirements for residency.

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cpl - Yes. All one needs to be is legally in the country to be afforded due process. Someone on vacation on a travel visa would be too.

If convicted of a felony, I *could* lose my Green Card and be deported upon completion of any sentence I serve.

So I'd better be good :)

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"So are you now saying that foreign born citizens don't need to be held to a higher standard for "normal" criminal acts that aren't crimes against the country/gov't? "

No, I would like naturalized citizen's to be denaturalized for crimes punishable by 5 years or more in prison.

I would like immediate designation of Enemy Combatant for foreign born citizens who commit acts against the country.

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"I have no American citizenship to strip. Mrs. VA was born in Texas. Her and the kids are all duel US/Canadian citizens (kids through Mrs. VA's birthright - citizens born abroad, retroactively).

My Green Card however, can be taken from me should I do something sufficiently criminal."

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but being a legal resident still affords you the same due process as being a naturalized citizen, correct?

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"Not a THESIS. A conversation. Things progress. Discussions change between Enemy Combatant, and loss of citizenship."

So are you now saying that foreign born citizens don't need to be held to a higher standard for "normal" criminal acts that aren't crimes against the country/gov't?

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"VA get's the same sentence and loses his citizenship, if he had it."

Yep, not an enemy combatant

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"ou're slipping a little Perf. You're claiming that it would only apply to "acts against the country" but when I brought up this scenario:"

Not a THESIS. A conversation. Things progress. Discussions change between Enemy Combatant, and loss of citizenship.

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I have no American citizenship to strip. Mrs. VA was born in Texas. Her and the kids are all duel US/Canadian citizens (kids through Mrs. VA's birthright - citizens born abroad, retroactively).

My Green Card however, can be taken from me should I do something sufficiently criminal.

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