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Goodenuff:

Interesting stuff!

TMF52:

You need to identify what information you think is incorrect. And since you think it wrong, state what you believe. I get information from many sources ..... TV, newspapers, websites. Where do you get yours?

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You said "we had a year or more full up and running head start with the Manhattan Project". No, we didn't.

Nothing you wrote in your timeline from wiki is inconsistent with what I stated. The German project was disrupted by the war turning against them, the loss of Norwegian heavy water plants, and internal problems within Nazi Germany. The war consumed more of their national resources than they could afford, and the project became reduced in scope. But they were on the way first and if they had a safe secure place in New Mexico, uranium from Canada, etc they would have made it. The Japanese also had a nuclear bomb project although it didn't get very far.

As for the V2 - it was a vastly small undertaking compared to the atomic bomb project.

To say that the Germans were "very close" to an atomic bomb is not really what I meant. But they had the lead and definitely had the brains to do it. They just got their bank account frozen before they could get far enough.

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"LQQK, your statements with regards to the time frames of the respective atomic bomb projects are simply wrong"

I do not believe that I stated a specific time frame and I do not question yours. It is fact that many scientists fled Gernamy shortly after AH came to power, but how much of an effect that had is really not known. The bottom line here is that although Germany in the late 1930's started looking into the feasibility of making an atomic weapon they never pursued it to the extent we thought they had. I do not feel the invasion of Russia was the difference because IMO had that been the case it should have also ended development of the V2

From Wiki: The German nuclear weapon project (German: Uranprojekt; informally known as the Uranverein; English: Uranium Society or Uranium Club), was a clandestine scientific effort led by Germany to develop and produce nuclear weapons during World War II. This program started in April 1939, just months after the discovery of nuclear fission in January 1939, but ended only months later due to the German invasion of Poland, after many notable physicists were drafted into the Wehrmacht. A second effort began under the administrative purview of the Wehrmacht's Heereswaffenamt on 1 September 1939, the day of the Invasion of Poland. The program eventually expanded into three main efforts: the Uranmaschine (nuclear reactor), uranium and heavy water production, and uranium isotope separation. Eventually it was assessed that nuclear fission would not contribute significantly to ending the war, and in January 1942, the Heereswaffenamt turned the program over to the Reich Research Council while continuing to fund the program. The program was split up among nine major institutes where the directors dominated the research and set their own objectives. Subsequently, the number of scientists working on applied nuclear fission began to diminish, with many applying their talents to more pressing war-time demands.

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I'll do that.

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Goring was the Nazis' meth dealer. See my "fun facts" post.

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All this time I though Heisenberg was Hitler's meth dealer. The Allies code name for him was Walter White.

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tbr I agree with you there re: the Axis war machine.

re: sub-human Asians....

I've heard that before too but honestly I think it's bullshit. There may have been some who believed it but we didn't seem to have a problem with soaking Dresden in kerosene or starving the people of Germany post-WW2. I think if the Allies had a nuclear weapon ready to use in 1943, we would have done it against Japan preferably (for the strategic reasons I mentioned) but if it came down to it, we would have blown Stuttgart or Munich off the map.

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LQQK, your statements with regards to the time frames of the respective atomic bomb projects are simply wrong. Szilard's letter (signed by Einstein) to FDR was dated Aug. 2, 1939, warning about the German efforts which had begun earlier that year in Germany.

The Manhattan project was not initiated until October 1941 and did not fully commence until January 1942. By then Germany already had begun uranium and thorium refining. It is interesting to me that they were pursuing thorium - presumably to transmute to U-233, which was not the direction the Allies took (although this was later proved to be feasible in Operation Teapot). In mid- to late 1942 the German effort began to sputter as resources were spread thinner and thinner, and by 1943 the Manhattan project had taken the lead.

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There is a school of thought that we never would have used nuclear weapons against Europeans. The Japanese were subhuman, so it was OK to use it on them.

Hitler was incapable of having a long term peace with the Soviets. Communism was his obsession. Read Mein Kampfe. He tried up to (and probably after) the invasion of the USSR to make peace with the west.

Had production capability and manpower been equal (and no Hitler not been a total lunatic), there is no doubt in my mind that Germany would have won the war. They had the best material, at least one generation ahead of everyone else.

It was primarily Nazi scientists that got us to the moon.

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VA, although it was our (US) worst nightmare that Germany would produce and not hesitate to use an atomic bomb ahead of America, and was the reason for starting the Manhattan Project, it turned our they were never even close. Check out "German nuclear weapon project" at Wiki.

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