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It was clear Germany was losing by early 1944. There would have been no need to use it on Germany - they weren't the ones requiring an incredible amphibious assault and having a populace subscribing to a mystical philosophy where your ancestors will shit on your soul or something if you surrender.

Much of the knowledge used to build the a-bomb was brought from the German project by scientists brought to the UK via Operation Amlos (sp?), such as Hahn and Heisenberg. The Germans had a 3 year head start and had massive heavy water plants operating in Norway to supply the needs of their research reactor.

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"Germany was closer to nuclear weapons than a lot of people would like to admit. And they had the delivery vehicle in the V-2."

Everything that I have read says the above was not true and I do not believe the V2 had the range to hit the US, so it would not have affected our ability to build one. However if HH had not chose to take on Russia there is no doubt his war machine would not have been devastated as fast, but IMO we would still have been the first with the A bomb. If I recall correctly we were going to use it on Germany first, but because they surrendered first our plans changed.

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I'm telling you they all did it. My great grandfather was in the Canadian army in WW1 and saw it himself. When it became time to charge forward, you went. If the soldier in front of you stopped you shot him and stepped over his body.

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I feel there's a difference between killing your own for running away because he has no weapon, and running away because you just don't want to fight- for whatever reason.

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That part was common to most armies.

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You left out the part about the Red Army having no qualms about shooting any of their own who did not press forward.

Fight or get shot by your commanders.

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Let's also get one thing straight:

The primary reason the Soviets eventually succeeded in defending themselves against the German army was the sheer number of bodies they had available to throw away. And that's definitely how they saw their soldiers. The kill rate on the Eastern front was vastly in favor of the Germans. It had nothing to do with the USSR being awesome and even less than nothing to do with communism being awesome.

It was not uncommon to have 1 rifle (or less) available for every 2 men. If you didn't have a rifle, you ran out there anyway, and just waited until one of your comrades was shot, picked up his rifle, and kept going. The plan generally included a 50% casualty rate. This is staggeringly high compared to virtually anyone else.

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Wifelover: I believe you were posting statistics and they don't match the ones I've seen. Hence my question: Where did you get your information?

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Well this thread took an interesting term. I think the long and short of it is that Germany opened war on too many fronts. Germany really could have kept Russia out of it and possibly made an ally of them. That would have been a game changer.

Its easy to hindsight it but basically Germany was in the same position the US is now. The big untouchable bad ass of the world and happened to have a psychopathic leader who believed all the people blowing smoke up his ass.

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I have no doubt that the First Nation to build a nuclear weapon would have used it immediately, be it the US, UK, USSR, Germany or Japan.

If Germany hadn't lost most of their best scientists fleeing Germany I think they would have almost certainly beat the Allies to a nuclear weapon. Had this happened early enough in the war (say, 1943) we would probably be living in a very different world today.

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