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Robert, I have to ask why you devote so much time trying to convince others. Many here are so entrenched in their positions that it's easier to let them believe what they want despite the changing world.

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Justus:

If by pitiful, you mean yourself, then yes you are. Why? Because you would deny your fellow countrymen a living wage when they work. You would devalue the worth if a working man or woman, just to feel superior. That not only makes you worthless as a man (being unable to find worth in yourself, so you devalue others), but it proves just why we must abandon and reject your ideals and way of life.

You stand for nothing, when all you stand for is yourself... And sadly those not standing beside their weakest countrymen, stand only for themselves.

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Roberts last post proves who and what he really is and stands for. Fucking pitiful.

Mickey.

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Sexy:

Wisconsin is not the model to follow, as it is the model of increased poverty, and the very thing destroying this nation. Without those retirement packages, those cops have no financial security in their old age, much less anyone else. Which has the elderly working until they die. This balloons the pool of employed persons and reduces the worth of everyone.

No, the correct model is one such that the employers either pay a living wage for all work done, or go out of business and the wealthy pay for the unemployment and welfare of those now unemployed persons. Why? Because the wealthy failed to supply living wages which justified the jobs of those now unemployed.

Don't like being part of a civilized nation? Go to Iraq where animals who devalue my countrymen belong, the third world. I'll accept 20 million illegals over one of you, any day and twice on Sunday.

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Well, here's a suggestion, Bobbywhine: Before you leave College, get a degree in Operational Engineering. Then apply what you have learned to the built in sloppiness and inefficiencies of all Government management and operations. I'll bet you could cut expenditures in half! Of course, Public Unions and tenures would have to go. Take a look at what has happened recently in Wisconsin - a fantastic model to follow. To do it, tho, you have to get the pigs out of the public troughs, and learn to separate the bullshit from the Shineola, as we used to say in the Days.

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The 50 Thread Names, ZZ has 30 of them. "Get high and be somebody"!

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I'd give an average American $100 if they get 75% correctly.

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Toomuch:

Spending cannot go down. You have X population you must take care of, short of killing the population... so to lower the cost of police, and other services... The government must continue to provide the services to a ever decreasing population which is spread too thinly to effectively distribute the resources to.

My own city has this problem to some extent. We have the city of hazleton, then we have the smaller areas around us that our school district and emergency services attend to. Those areas do not pay enough taxes to cover the cost of running the buses and other services out to, but because they are technically within Hazleton's sphere of influence... We are obligated to tend to their needs.

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You forgot to mention how in the early 70's the automakers were building shitty cars and it allowed foreign competitors come in and steal a huge chunk of the market. Consider Detroit was the home of most of that industry at the time. Tax revenue dropped but spending didn't, taxes increased, people left. The death spiral.

I'm not sure I'm buying the race war thing but I don't know enough about it to argue either way.

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Most people that spend their time trying to insult other intelligence are usually dumber than a box of rocks.

If they are so smart then they would dazzle with intelligence, but they always fail to rise to the occasion.

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