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Good grief give them the direct proof, even from the CIA and they tell you it is a lie...go figure..."we will hate Bush no matter if it destroys the country" or whatever the motive is, maybe...oh never mind...just shows even with facts some people live in denial! Good try Claire!

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And gee whiz Destin. Bill Clinton and Hillary are NOT Marxists. Why use a language if you are going to misdefine a term just to be nasty? Yo mama didn't teach you to tell the truth?

Bill and Hillary are Republican Lite. NAFTA supporters, bombers of Iraq, supporters of Israel's immunity from nuclear proliferation agreements and international law.

I see you get away with a lot more reckless speech here on this site, and with surprisingly little opposition. We have just about gotten everybody's nose bloody at the old home place since it has been taken over by Godless communists from overseas. The right is represented by such a lame crowd over there that is sounds like a high-school girls insulting one another.

You can sign me "Gumdrop", He,he! Oh hell, there goes the property values!

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Clairegrl You really ought to class your act up -- Toensing is a partisan and not very competent. She has made several gaffes about Plame's status and her quotes are not accurate. She got a certain amount of crap for a radio interview she did on a right-wing whacko show where she outright flat out stated untruths about Plame's status -- as if she knew. But I won't educate you on here. 90% of the misinformation campaigns about PLame are just smokescreens anyway and designed to keep people busy on non-issues to obscure what came out.

If the Bush Justice Dept didn't have to admit there was a chance a law was broken they would not have appointed a prosecutor, except maybe in a hope to clear their name through legalistic obfuscation. That didn't quite work the way they thought it would. Now the argument descends into legalisms and everybody knows what they did. To believe that everyone around Bush was acting on this scheme but he pretends he is clueless is almost worse than the act itself. You had best let the dust settle.

Fact is, people who act as apologists for the Bush excesses have just about given us -- President Hillary Clinton. Put 2+2 together on that one. Not even I will thank you for that.

I know it's hard for you folks to be a minority. You didn't do a very graceful job when you had full license for policy, and the learning curve is a bit flat for your side as they wring their hands trying to avoid being Bush Lite, wondering who they have been supporting, and trying to figure out who that makes them right now.

Your only recourse is to cry foul for a scheme of your own making that people thought was reprehensible, and you guys make amongst the worst whiners on the planet. Like Baby Huey with a Rolex whining about his stock options ---puleeeeese!

This plan failed. Move on. C'mon and lighten up -- you did it to yourselves. Certainly you can find some way to make money from government without controlling it.

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You go girl!

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Both Hillary and Bill Clinton are devout Marxists and propagators of world communism. They disguise it very well. No self-respecting woman, regardless of her commitment to a marriage, would put up with a husband who publicly rubs her nose in his infidelity - a husband accused of rape by Juanita Broadrick. No, this is a partnership of power and anyone who underestimates Hillary Rodam Clinton does so at their own risk.

The face these two put on for the gullible in no way is representative of their past and what they believe. Hillary is probably the most dangerous woman in this country for freedom and liberty. Below is a reprint of an article from my old newsletter, November 1995. I believe people will find this factual information very interesting. The Institute for Policy Studies still operates in this country.

Marxism: "The political and economic ideas of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels as developed into a system of thought that gives class struggle a primary role in leading society from bourgeois democracy under capitalism to a socialist society and thence to Communism.

Communism: A theory or system of government in communal ownership as in goods and property are distributed for a11, except those at the top who control the masses.

Fascism: A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism; oppressive or dictatorial control.

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Now Clairgrl, I am sorry but it is you that is wrong. Everything Uru said was right that I see.

She was covert CIA at the time, court determined that. This is common knowledge.

The law is written in such a way that it is very difficult to prosecute, you would actually need to have presentable evidence of having the knowledge she was covert and the desire to out her for retribution, then actually do it. No matter how many notices were floating around the White House, VP's office or State that mention her status, it requires more than that to prosecute.

In fact, short of testimony by the person that warned him face-to-face of Plame's status, if Cheney knew everything and sent orders to everyone to do their part, there would be no way except for Cheney's own self-incriminating testimony to prosecute him for it -- just an example of the law -- not trying to prosecute Cheney.

The only reason Libby got it was lying judged a cover-up, but anyone who listened to Bush ever talk about it knows now there was a coverup. Bush wanted to get elected and knew his supporters would never put two and two together unitl it was too late. Some of them never -- now that's faith in your peeps!

You guys shouldn't pretend that other people got it wrong. It was your side's plan -- just own it.

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clairegrrl, I do not know where you get your "facts" but I stand by mine since they are veted by credible sources. Treason was commited. The neo-cons should be happy that all that happened was an obstruction of justice charge that got commuted.

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LOL @ Claire...good one!

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luvs, LOL, not my definition at all...it is the definition...

All I can say is Thank God for Bush at this time in our history so the traitorous kerry's cannot have us in defeat and attacked again and again within our borders. No the Republican Congress was not a good and focused one but as lame as they were the dem's are far worse for our country. Look at the voters disdain for the lib's in office now, talk about a pandering do nothing group you libs elected!

Funny to me is the lib's scream when a Rep does something wrong but when a lib is a thief or murder they equate that to a toe tap and never police there own. The Rep's at least condemn and for the most part make their problem children resign or irrelevant. The Lib's just send them back to congress and the give them powerful assignments. Seems to me before cleaning another house you should clean yours first.

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That's cute Destin that neo-communist thing. If they call you a neo-conservative turn it around and you look really smart, huh?

Things are looking pretty tough, I know, with the Bush experiment and GOP control of Washington. The Republicans have outspent the Democrats again and failed to stimulate the super-economy that solves all problems. And probably it will take a lot longer next time to pretend that can do it. You never get an economy zoomy enough to automatically fix everything.

Bush dropped the ball, the rest of the losers in congress look like idiot rubber-stamps for idiot Bush, and you sport fighters were too busy talking nasty about liberals to police your own ranks. That kind of team behavior would get you fired from a convenience store.

The only question left is who looks sexier. I vote for liberals for that.

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