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You cant have it both ways Robert. You can't praise Likud for violating the sovereignty of every nation in it's wake who violated treaties and agreements with them, and then wring your hands over the fact that Russia simply did the same thing. Ukraine and Israel have somethings in common, there is no historical, political. cultural or ethnic precedent of justification for either to exist. You will not see Ukrane on a map prior to 1990 You will not see Israel on a map prior to 1948 The majority in both nations have no blood linage to the region they occupy, and both have since their creation, violated every treaty and agreement they ever entered in to.

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PP, Common denominators of these nations... Usually low GDP, sometimes third world, non-Christian (Catholicism doesn't count in Ole Dixie), and non-English nations.... Lots of Spanish speakers.

The US convinces it's brainwashed that they are pagans with drug lords and in civil wars or need liberation. Insert puppet leader here.

Our soldiers die as pawns in the game as we are told to cheer them on, and "Support Our Troops". American schools history and geography books are years behind, with many soldiers unable to locate on a map where they're being sent to die.

One party hates war, the other teams with big business to create wars.

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The age of a nation does not give it any more or less legitimacy than any other nation. This section of Ukraine belonged to Ukraine, Russia took it at the point of its guns. That is all that matters.

Now to address the Israeli issue you tried to use. Isreal destroyed whatever imaginary state of Palestinian you think existed, because those people wanting their own nation sided with the Israelites enemies during the war of 1948.

The Palestinians have shot at, and attempted to destabilize Isreal with every chance they got... Are you going to tell us that the Ukrainian people did this to the Russians? If so, where is your evidence? Because the evidence of the Palestinian people's belligerence is proven.

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Robert, you can indeed, and you have. It would not however be balanced without the equivocations I mentioned. I happen to disagree. It is the right of every nation to defend it's national interests and national security. You of ALL people, who unconditionally defend the military adventures and shenanigans of the Zionist State should realize this. It is also the obligation of nations and alliances to hold up their end of agreements. In the case of the US, NATO and the EU in relation to Russia and Ukraine and Crimea they failed to do so on all counts. Frankly Russia showed great restraint by not taking back Crimea the very same day the Baltic states and the former Yugoslavian republics were admitted into NATO. Finally, as I have said before much to the angst or some FORA members, "Ukrainian" is a pseudo ethnicity, and "Ukraine" is a Pseudo nation. You will not find it on a political map as a nation state prior to the late 20th century. The region consists of the decedents of Poles who once ruled the region, Russians, Tartars, Cossacks, some Turkic jews and various migratory sub groups. The word "Ukraine" or Ukrayina loosely translated means "Borderland", indicating it was a region that divided Rus, Caucus and Slavic territories. There is NO historical precedent for it's existence

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Lol, you are using a argumentive falicy. I never claimed moral superiority, you did. Under the same principles that Putin invaded the Ukrain, I can state it not to be correct or acceptable.

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Robert...have you forgotten in the last half century, with either Military or paramilitary units, we have invaded Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Grenada, Honduras, Panama, Guatemala, Colombia, Bolivia, Somalia, Lebanon, Pakistan, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and carried out Proxy invasions or attacks on Tunisia, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Cuba, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Angola, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, and Liberia? (I quite probably missed a few) We are in NO position to lecture anyone on the sovereignty of another nation.

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Does that mean we can invade Mexico? Their instability is a threat to our economy and boarders. Answer: No, it doesn't.

Russia is a political enemy, they won't invade the US for the same reason they didn't during the cold war. They cannot manage a global government and they like breathing unradiated air.

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Thank you sir !

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PP,

that was Spot-on...

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Neither Russia or the Russian people are a Geo-political threat. Both Romney and Palin were WRONG then and they are WRONG now. The west expanded NATO past Berlin when they promised they wouldn't, The Territory known as Ukraine can no longer keep their promise of maintaining the security of Russian military bases and ethnic Russians, they overthrew an elected government. In other words, EVERY promise (except returning the Nukes) made to Russia at the Budapest conference where Crimea was annexed to the territory known as Ukraine, was broken ....So Russia took back Crimea,,,,The End Any questions?

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