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TOPIC: Tougher penalties for gun straw buyers and sellers
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A bipartisan group of senators has reached a deal on a bill that would make it a federal crime to buy a gun for someone who isn't legally allowed to own one.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy announced the agreement on the Senate floor Monday evening.

Illegal gun “straw” purchases, made by a buyer on behalf of someone who cannot pass a background check, are often not prosecuted under current law, usually because conducting such a sale yields such a weak penalty.

The new compromise legislation would make the consequences for both straw buyers and sellers far more serious - to the tune of decades in jail.

"Instead of a slap on the wrist or treating this like a paperwork violation, these crimes under our bill would be punishable by up to 25 years in prison," Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine said.In broad strokes, cracking down on gun trafficking has wide support in both parties and isn't intensely controversial, as other potential gun control measures are. A bipartisan group of House members have already introduced a similar trafficking bill in that chamber.

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Probably not...pig shit, body order and stanching female crotch is really nasty....I would have to give my donation to Sally Struthers and leave

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You would not last a day in my world convict.

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In your world people drink water from the same well pigs and dogs use as toilets, and father rape their underage daughters...so theirs that... I snitched on no one inbreed, and it's best you stay ion the straight and narrow, in week in prison your would be wearing a dress with your bung hole dilated to 20 millimeters on the end of a leash held by a brutha names T-Bone...LOL They just LOVE them some white trash

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In my world snitches end up in ditches. So take it from there be a man you should have done your time. Plus with your record you have no need to even pass your opinion on this subject. You are part of the gun problem you are not the answer to it.

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Vaca. Nothing on lifE that matters is your call, least of all if I should still. E in jail. Only a weepy loser like you would "snitch" on anyone. No one who matters takes you seriously because you rants reflect the intellect of a Learning disabled 4 year old and your cut and pasted blithering does nothing to change that.

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-- In 2008, Drew C. Turnage, a decorated Marine, was charged with selling a fully automatic rifle to an undercover police officer posing as a convicted felon, records state. Turnage and another man stole equipment out of a military armory and built the weapon, according to a stipulation of facts filed in Circuit Court. Turnage was convicted, fined and received a five-year suspended jail sentence, records show.

Turnage, now living in Louisiana, said in a telephone interview that he was pressured into selling the weapon. He denied taking parts from the armory and said he did not regularly sell guns but needed the money to fix his truck and travel home.

He served two tours of duty in Iraq and left the Marines as a lance corporal, he said.

Turnage, now 26, works as a gas and oil operator in the Gulf of Mexico and recently had his rights restored by Virginia, he said. "I'm the furthest thing from a criminal," he said.

-- In 2011, a Suffolk man was charged with providing a firearm to a juvenile family member in the Beach, records state. The teen's mother discovered a handgun in the house. The man pleaded guilty, received a 3-year suspended sentence, and was fined and ordered to have no contact with the juvenile, records state.

Virginia Beach Commonwealth's Attorney Harvey Bryant said his office occasionally receives tips from firearm dealers when they suspect a customer is trying to make a straw purchase. "It's not easy to detect; it's not easy to prosecute," said Bryant, who also served as a federal prosecutor.

State and national statistics on the crime are difficult to track because a federal law restricts the compilation of some statistics on gun offenses, a spokesman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said.

However, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of Virginia noted a few recent cases including one that involved the distribution of dozens of guns through the use of straw purchases. This month, 44-year-old Kimberly Dinkins from Manassas pleaded guilty to buying 31 handguns at Virginia gun shows, court records state. Prosecutors said she bought the firearms last year at shows in Hampton, Richmond and Chantilly and resold them, federal court records state. Prosecutors say Dinkins faces up to five years in prison.

David Chipman, a retired special agent for the ATF who was assigned to work in Norfolk in the late 1980s, said federal agents need many tools to fight gun smuggling. Tougher penalties for straw purchases will help but not as much as more strenuous background checks, said Chipman, now a consultant for a gun control advocacy group.

Virginia had a reputation as a high-volume gun exporter in the late 1980s and 1990s, before limits were placed on monthly firearm purchases in 1993. That ban was lifted by state lawmakers last year.

It's too early to know whether lifting the ban has made a difference, said Dan Woloszynowski, resident agent in charge of the Norfolk ATF field office.

While that change brought out a fiery debate between Virginia gun rights supporters and opponents, the proposed changes to straw purchase penalties seem to have done the opposite, gaining acceptance from both sides.

Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, said straw purchases punish criminal behavior. "We don't have a problem with that."

Said Ladd Everitt, spokesman for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence:

"It's part of the solution."

Federal and state lawmakers will continue to debate the proposals in the coming weeks

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'Straw man' gun laws already on books, rarely enforced

WHAT IS A STRAW GUN PURCHASE? It happens when a person knowingly buys a gun for someone who cannot legally do so.

What it's not The law doesn't apply to such things as gifts to eligible family members or private transactions between two parties with full legal rights.

PROPOSALS In the U.S. Rep. Scott Rigell has co-sponsored a federal bill to ban straw purchases.

In Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell endorsed a bill that would increase punishment for the purchaser and the recipient.

FINDINGS A study estimated the proposed state bill would result in one or two additional convictions annually in the state. Local prosecutors seldom enforce straw purchase charges. By Louis Hansen The Virginian-Pilot © February 22, 2013 NORFOLK

Federal and state lawmakers have proposed new crimes and stiffer penalties for straw purchases of firearms in the wake of several mass shootings.

But law enforcement officials and state Supreme Court statistics show the proposals, aimed at those who buy guns for anyone banned from carrying a firearm, might be more symbolic than practical.

A recent study for Virginia lawmakers estimated that the proposed state bill would result in one or two additional convictions annually in the state. And an analysis by The Virginian-Pilot of state Supreme Court records shows that local prosecutors seldom enforce straw purchase charges even though the practice is illegal.

The reason? Law enforcement and prosecutors say the crime is hard to track and prosecute.

At best, supporters of the measures see their latest efforts as another tool to send a message that putting guns in the wrong hands is a serious offense.

Rep. Scott Rigell, R-Virginia Beach, has co-sponsored a federal bill to ban straw purchases. He compared its potential effect to the change in culture associated with driving under the influence. Society became less tolerant of the behavior, he said.

Rigell wants the same to happen with straw purchases of guns. His bill has drawn support from prosecutors and law enforcement, as well as bipartisan support from state constitutional officers.

At the state level, Gov. Bob McDonnell has endorsed a bill that would increase punishment on the straw purchaser and the recipient of the gun. The bill, advancing in the General Assembly, would add a mandatory one-year jail sentence for the purchaser. An ineligible person who receives a gun would face a mandatory five-year term with a maximum term of 10 years.

The bill's sponsor, Republican Sen. Tom Garrett, said the legislation is in response to recent shootings, including one in western New York that left two firefighters dead. Federal prosecutors say the gun used by a convicted felon was purchased by a neighbor.

"Will this bill end that? The realistic answer is no," said Garrett, who served as prosecutor in Louisa County. "It's a message bill."

The Pilot's review of Virginia Supreme Court records shows that between 2006 and 2011, Hampton Roads law enforcement officials rarely convicted offenders for straw purchases. In that time, local prosecutors brought a total of 12 charges in state courts against people for unlawfully buying a gun for another person.

Norfolk, Portsmouth, Hampton and Newport News officials did not bring any charges during that period, according to The Pilot's analysis, while Virginia Beach brought six charges against four defendants. According to court records, none of the Virginia Beach cases in Circuit Court involved wholesale gun trafficking:

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IN that case you should still be in jail. And if you sold as many as you say then you snitched to get a lighter sentence. You should have been a man kept your mouth shut and did your time.

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Pffft....call me when you get your GED

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That would be a first

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