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2saint:

Your statement makes no sense. We weaken the US dollar when we fight wars on credit. When we expand the debt, when we exhaust resources we do not have to spend. So how does fighting to control Iraqs oil help us, when it is on the snake market that all the worlds oil is sold on?

The major US oil companies who pump the oil in Iraq, do not pay half as much into our treasuries, as to cover the cost of these wars, so control over that oil is a waste of money, lives and international good will.

As for the oil becoming obsolete, I said becoming, not that it is. This will be like a sharp angled curve near to the end of oils use. Slow to start, but quick to end after the curve. We can see the effects of that curve now, with gas and oil prices expected to drop through the winter.

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Bobby,Bobby, Bobby it's not about the oil itself, It's about who's currency is used to trade it in along with all other commodities.

Crude Oil,Coffee,Natural Gas,Gold,Brent Oil,Silver,Sugar,Corn,Wheat,Cotton or the top 10 most traded commodities all bought and sold in US currency thanks to the petrodollar.

And if oil has become so obsolete, then tell me why every major country in the world is fighting over control of it?

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2saint:

You seem to be in the same outdated trap Justus is trapped in. Oil is already outdated. Many nations are leaving it in the past, as seen by the price of oil on the market. It hasn't risen, despite two major conflicts in the Middle East and Europes Ukraine issue.

Why? Because even third world nations are adopting alternative energy sources, and there is no placing this jinni back into its bottle. Oil is about to become obsolete, either adapt to this new reality now, or watch the dollar become more worthless and we lose our leadership role to the Brinks.

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IF BRICS has it's way

Foreign nations would begin sending a flood of U.S. dollars back to the United States in exchange for the new currency needed for oil. The Federal Reserve would lose their ability to print more dollars to solve America’s economic problems. The Treasury Secretary and the Federal Reserve Chairman would meet to determine the best course of action. That action would involve an immediate and dramatic increase in interest rates to reduce America’s money supply. Hyperinflation would ensue temporarily while the interest rates took time to take full effect. All oil-related prices, including gas prices, would reach outrageous levels. Washington would soon realize that the total amount of money in the system would have to be dramatically slashed even further, leading to an even higher increase in interest rates. The clueless American public would demand answers. Those on the left would blame the right. The right would blame the left. And both political parties would seek to blame the Federal Reserve. People with adjustable rate debts would be crushed and massive layoffs would occur as businesses would be suffering from the high interest rates. Asset prices across the board would plummet in value. Amid the financial carnage, an economic recovery eventually would begin to take place. But this new American economy would be tremendously smaller due to a drastically reduced money supply.

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you need to understand that the war in the middle east is not with ISIS it is with The BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa)

AS of now the US dollar is the world currency and Crude Oil is the top trader Commodity and the middle is the top crude oil producer.

In the 1970's nations started wanting to exchange their dollars for the gold and silver that was supposed to be backing the US currency, but we no longer had enough gold or silver to cover the value of the US dollar. SO Nixon brokered a deal with the Sadies where by they would only sell oil in dollars, and place all there profits in US banks and that money is used to invest in the US economy.(The birth of the petrodollar A brilliant Idea at the time that saved the US from a total crash)

So now all countries (especially those who cannot produce or refine their on oil) had to come to us for US dollar in order to by oil or gas allowing the FED to print as much money as these countries need.THis led to all trade being done in US currency.

Now the BRICS want to change all that and use their own currency based on the YUAN. IF this happens the nations of the world will no longer need US dollar and will send all those dollars back to the US.

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And why would our currency be so low? More over, if that is the price for ending the wars in the Middle East, reducing the need to send our children to more useless wars... Would that be a fair price? Hanging onto a system which oppresses others, only oppresses ourselves and our children.

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Bobby we could do all that, but if e did you might as well whipe your ass with 100 bills, because that's what it will be worth.

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The only meaningful goal to have is to bring the middle east nations into the 21st century.

To do that, we the developed nations of the world must do barbaric things to those third world nations. Things which will mar our reputations for generations to come.

So I ask you, is it worth the effort? Or should we just strengthen our separation of church and state laws, and take the trickles of people leaving the middle east, accepting the black eye or three we take when radicals strike us.

I vote we pull out totally and completely, invest resources into alternative energy sources which will leave oil in the past, and cut off trade with anyone who trades with the middle east (until the middle east nation comply's with the below set of demands).

1) All are equal in the law. 2) All have a equal vote in the elected government of their lands. 3) All governments must be elected. 4) Freedom of speech, such that doesn't impede the regular flow of day to day life (beyond two weeks) are legal and may not be quelled with deadly first as the first option. 5) Every child (male and female) will be educated (equally) in Math, science and reading. Reading being the minimum of the local language of the land. 6) A separation of church (all religion) and state will be established.

From there, let them figure it out. From meeting these basics, they become a trade partner who we can trade fairly with.

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I still say Iran's plan is to but the full force of it military in Syria via it's involvement in Iraq in order to protect Assad and set up camp on Israel's doorstep.

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