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Vacp:

You call driving a truck a career? Please tell me, while you are on the high ways of America, who is raising your kids? It takes two parents to raise children, this is one of the leadin causes of the rapid growth of street gangs.

Ups driving? Not much different depending upon if you are local to your home or not. Either way, I must ask you a number of very important questions.

1) how many truck drivers do you know? And what do you know about the trucking industry? (FYI, three of the men my father serves with ate truck drivers and the national guard conflicts with their employment all the time)

2) If you claim these jobs are so good, name a few companies. (this will be entertaining)

3) yes, I am not inclined to do a great deal of manual labor as I was raised to use my brain and not my brawn. As with any muscle, when you don't use it day to day, you lose it. (thus why I do daily math problems... Sadly not as well as I would like), read and write.

I have a wide range of family members who are in the brawn side of employment. Most every one of them are physically broken men suckling on the governments dime. The ones who aren't, are dead.

So please do tell us about how shoveling sixteen tons of coal got you anywhere but another day older and another day deeper in debt.

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Not every career requires you to be able to do algebra. Just more excuses.I took algebra I & II and geometry. Most jobs you will need very good basic math skills. Not many people will need to find out what x or y is in their daily job.

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Sedu:

My story doesn't change, it is that you do not retain the information and arrange it as a time table. So to make this easy for you, read.

1982-1988: my father first enlisted in the army reserves and then transfers to the air force.

1988-1999: father works for three factories, two of which close and one down sizes, resulting in his loss of employment. (the third factory was the one he became a union president in)

1998: my father joins the army guard. The following year he becomes employed as a federal worker.

This effectively brings us to today.

As for why I do not attend college right now? I have been taking math classes... Can't do the math for some reason... But the concepts of science are easy to understand. Practical uses Vrs scientific understanding.

So until I have an acceptable algrabra II grade of a 3.8 or better... I would be wasting my money on any career. Basic math like algrabra II college level is one of the corner stones of any formal education in any rewarding careers.

If you aren't able to cut it in the math, you can't work at the expected speeds of the career and no one would want to hire a under performing student.

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I'm trying to understand something. After Robert told his confusing tales about his family (which kept changing with each post), it seems that his dad is now employed and their pretty much done with their debt (or so he claimed). He works night.

Why is he unable to go to a community college and get his degree? Community college gives you a fairly decent education, for around 5K a semester. Certainly he can secure a student loan.

Can't wait to hear new excuses with new twists about his life.

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Robert, most JOBS will provide you these things if you work for them. Truck drivers provide very well for their families and the companies pay good benefits and have retirement. Automotive repair also pays well and the companies provide benefits and retirement plans. UPS drivers make good money and have good benefits plus retirement. Now these are jobs you must work at and may be hard work at times. These are just a few JOBS that provide a good standard of living.But once again you must be willing to break a sweat and maybe get a little dirt under your finger nails.They do not require a college degree to perform a very much needed service to the people of this country you included.

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Vacp:

In short.

Job= what you do before a career.

A career defines who you are and who you what to become.

For me, a career must proved the following.

A home (for wife, three kids and self) which I own or could own.

A new car. (not talking six digit cars)

A stable home environment.

Medical. (all aspects there in and for the entire family)

My advancement through the career must also advance others, as this is in part what civilized human societies ought to do. Rise or fall together.

Allow me to be taxed at a rate which provides social welfare for my fellow citizens that the wealthy fail to provide a meaningful job to)

The career must be able to inspire any children I might have, to become better people than our current generation. (both in promoting global peace and prosperity.)

Said career shalt never ask or imply wrong doing or for me to violate my code of ethics, to include moral beliefs.

This isn't asking much, we use to have such careers which were obtainable, we no longer possess such careers for a multitude of reasons... Primarily due to the loss of good paying jobs, which had the negative effect of killing good careers.

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So Robert how do you define a Career vs. Job?

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Mari:

Minimum wage jobs dont have promotable positions.

Managers or even assistant managers require college classes as you need managerial skills and the written proff that you come to the position trained.

More over, factories, mines, and even security companies are promotion by attrition. Someone typically needs to be fired or die before a spot opens. Again, these spots require college degrees.

Without a formal education in such areas, the HR department will ignore any recommendations from the store level manager. Why? Because that is what the HR department's job is. To higher only qualified people for the job.

Far too often, store level managers become too familiar with their lowers and do exactly what you just discribed, promote from within, unqualified persons.

Today's job market demands that you be both actual and formal job ready on the day of applying for the position. HR's job is to protect the company from law suits by people feeling favortisim or other none official qulification means.

This is why the assistant managers who work at the giant food store when I was 18, still work the same job. They had at best a 2 year degree or were put into the dead end assistant manager position without a college degree. (in truth they have next to no power... But take the blame for everything)

This isn't just this store, if you paid attention to other stores like K-mart, wal-mart and even the smaller branch stores, you will see the same thing.

Only college degrees get you a corporate job, a job which can be called a career.

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If you do better work and still you don't get an advancement, you know that you are in the wrong company.

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So Robert, you do not like your wage so you do not work your hardest.

The other guy in this position does not like his wage, so he works harder in order to be noticed and get a promotion.

Sure, some employers are slow to notice the difference between your two, but eventually the other guy will go further than you will. The more time you spend arguing against this obvious point, the less time you are devoting to advancing yourself.

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