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PerfectMatch: "I've laid out, by both the actions and words of the parties, how it's not logical that the cause of the war was slavery. You can't grasp it, probably because you just don't want to. You've been brainwashed and have spent too much time in Academia."

Give me an anti-welfare, cut taxes, Conservative rightie from a Red State, and I can now predict how he or she will twist and torture and waterboard history to make it speak what he or she claims is the truth while calling any reputable history--the consensus of historians and writers of history textbooks and encyclopedia articles--bias and propaganda. Your bias, shaped by your current politics, is that the North is "raping" the South with tariffs and taxes, and that the South had a noble resistance to the tyranny of big government. That's reading the past through your own Con ideology.

Sweetbutt cites some words about tariffs from a website she's found (americancivilwar dot) and I check out the website and its talking about how John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry was a precipitant cause for the Civil War and under Causes of the Civil War, it gives first and foremost, David Potter's "The Impending Crisis," which focuses on the issue of slavery from 1848-1860, and it concludes this paragraph by denying those economic issues of tariffs as a significant reason for the split.

Show me where I am illogical. Just because Lincoln had more than one thing to say about slavery does not make him illogical. He was opposed to it personally, and as President he felt it was his duty at first to preserve the Union and uphold the Constitution, which meant not abolishing slavery in the South. But at the heart of the conflict was the expansion of slavery into new territories and thus the balance of power between North and South.

You could listen to 500 books and scientists saying the world is round, and you would insist the world is flat because you found one source that said it and it fits your idea of what is logical. Try reading a signficant, well-praised book about the Civil War instead of spinning stuff out of your gut like a spider and trying to trap me with it. I know history, and you are wrong and a blockhead...

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Bodybuilder is correct. Selective breeding to make stronger stock.

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Northern slave owners could allow their slaves to fight for the North. They were given the slaves pay and were allowed to file a claim against the government for lost income.

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The north owned slaves too for farming and housekeeping, it was pervasive all over the country.

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You guys are arguing semantics. Sigh....

The North saw slavery as a moral issue because they didn't make use of the free labor on the scale of the South. The South saw it strictly as an economic reason because slavery is pure economics to them. Without slavery the South would have great hardship producing their products without the free labor. The only reason for slavery is for economic reasons. So you're both right.... If you owned slaves it was economics and if you didn't own slaves it was moral - depends on who's pockets you're talking about. Either way the CW was about economical slavery.

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Slavery IS economics.... you CAN'T separate them. WHY did people use slaves? Slaves were used purely for ECONOMIC reasons and that was the ONLY reason.

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Slavery and economics are one in the same. The reason there was slavery was because it was economically satisfying for those that used them.

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we are in a bigger battle than slavery today, the fight against socialism/communism from the left is a real danger.

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No one with a rational mind would honestly believe that the ENTIRE South would go to war over slavery when less than 5 percent of the South actually owned them. Get real.

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Maybe a new civil war is about to begin to save the country from socialists and communists trying to destroy it...the domestic terrorists on the left...I am in for this one!

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