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User Details are only visible to members.	Robert please give us some cites on your claim. I have heard nothing about the great lakes turning brackish. You do know that happens when a body of water connected to the ocean if the level drops below the sea level? Same for the Mississippi River.
Sanford NC			Username hidden (18796 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	I've tried to ignore this thread because of all the outdated information and attitudes on display here but at this point I just can't do that. Some points and updates of info for you all: Hydroponics is FAR less costly than soil farming in many instances. Herbs, leafy greens and water intensive crops are being grown for far less net expense than could be done in any other way. Look around you and you will find thousands of businesses thriving of of hydroponic farming. As to pot growers, it's the LIGHTING that costs, not the hydroponics. Illicit growing by definition won't be occurring under a greenhouse as does 99% of legitimate hydroponic farming. An ebb and flow system costs pennies to operate and the nutrients cost about the same as they would for traditional crops. The REAL savings comes in labor. No weeding. All planting done from a standing 'station' and then floated out in the bed. Harvesting is a reversal of the same low labor process. The vast majority of organic greens are produced this way today. I have a commercial grower about 20 miles from me in a county that grows some of the best lettuces in on the east coast. His greenhouses are on the edge of his lettuce fields. He grows organic inside and the traditional pesticide laced product about 300' away. He tells me that after 5 years doing this, his dirty little secret is that it actually costs him LESS to grow indoors. I could go into all kinds of citations and sources for 'urban' hydroponic farming that have been quantitatively proven and even more advanced uses like aquaponics (the raising of fish in tanks adjacent to the hydroponic gardens in a symbiotic system. The waste of the fish feed s the garden, which filters the water for the fish-much like a natural tide marsh does) and point you to all kinds of organizations (some rather right leaning even) that consider this tech to be the possible only thing that will save mankind as our planets ecosystems become disrupted from climate change in the next few decades. If we cannot learn to produce our food in a sustainable and low impact way INDOORS, on a LOCAL basis, we will likely experience mass 'die backs' of population on every continent on earth. I would think LEARNING how this tech works (as I've done these last few years, it's a hobby) would be far more productive than denigrating it based on decades old information. Oh, BTW. IF you investigate aquaponics you might find that one of the foremost authorities on the subject (according to several peer reviewed studies) resides in Fishkill, NY.....
East Fishkill NY			Username hidden (2772 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Look at where you get your water from. The great lakes are drying up... They feed water for not only NYC but much of the areas around the Mississippi. Hell the Mississippi is shrinking last I heard. You might have water for the next fifty years; but what about after that? The larger the system, the larger the problem, the longer you must plan out the solution or you will have massive failures across the entire system. Please stop being so short sighted that you won't look at the data. Water sources are drying up, the ones further north affect everything south. Did you know that one of the problems with the great plains is that the land is without major rivers and lakes? Where do the middle states get their water? Where will they get their water as the desert continues to grow at an increased rate?
Hazle Township PA			Username hidden (4820 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Robert does not have a clue, We live in farm country millions of acres of farm land, These farms have been in the same familys for years and will continue to be, Water is accessible in every state, Weather is a factor but farming down here i garantee you will never change... Mickey.
Maurice LA			Username hidden (3731 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Again Bobby- You need to look at more than what you read. In NY Farmers are warned not for fear of using up the water but for the poor design of thier water sources. to prevent contamination, sinc e as an example NYC will not spend the money to utilze desalinization plants. Waste of water a natural resource is something the likes of you have no idea about. just because you look at a hose and see an neverending supply of water, most farmers if not all know how precious a comodity it is. thus are prepared to conserve such. As far as california I cannot speak for thier water sources , but then again there are other areas capable or producing the product that is produced in those areas, just not as long a growing season, but a stron growing season just the same.
Burlingham NY			Username hidden (9215 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Looking: Those springs and water ways are deminishing. The biggest complaints I hear from conservatives is that the government won't let farmers drain lakes and ponds, because it'll kill the local wild life... Guess what? That is destroying the Eco system to put farms where they ought not be. Yes, CA ought not have farms where the land isn't naturally fertile and more importantly wet enough. More over we are on the verge of making soilless farming more efficient with GM plants. There is even some plants which are in development which are waterless. ht tp://scienceline.or g/2007/12/env-heger-rice/ And yes, we are seeing global droughts, not localized droughts.
Hazle Township PA			Username hidden (4820 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Bobby You have no clue, I have many relatives that operate Farms , that range in size from as small as 50 acres up to 1200 acres. The common denominator is government intrusion and regulation, and in some cases subsidies..... You mentions water resources, Do you realize most farms ( in the northeast) tend to be built near or close to natural water supplies? I would worry more about City supply of water that that of a farmers. you state this isn't the 1880's do you realize that many of the crops now grown exclusivly in california were at one time grown in NYS? from lettuce, celery,raddishes, carrots, potatos,cucumber, tomatos,garlic, onions, spinach,.... there was a time when it was cheaper to grom in the warmer climates, But are now beign produced in NY again( although not year round) . The reason many stopped producing many of the items such as lettuce, celery , tomatos, cucumbers ? Govt intrusion and subsidy to push $$ into the california markets.... I am speaking of only one region of NY, now take alook at other farming areas of NY, or even into NJ. The govt intrusion keeps people hungry by design.....
Burlingham NY			Username hidden (9215 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Looking: If farmers were allowed to farm for the foods which bring the most profits they will race through water resources and the price of those foods will fall through the floor. Food isn't something that you can leave to the free markets to stablize... There will be too many rippleing effects in the markets and mass hunger will be the end result. This doesn't even account for the farmers who won survive the changes they must make rapidly... The more complex the industry becomes, the more it must be controlled. We aren't in the 1800s where food is made locally, food from CA is necessary in PA and some can't be made here... And vise versa.
Hazle Township PA			Username hidden (4820 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Bobby , Do you think People stop eating? There will always be a demand for food, to think that after everyone has been fed that the cost would bottom out is foolish, Yes prices may decrease , but then again all prices would adjust accordingly. The problem with the Govt involvement is they try to hard to control every aspect of it instead of letting afree market control it. If the govt stopped controlling the prices they would go down across the board, and the small farmer WOULD be able to survive more easily
Burlingham NY			Username hidden (9215 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Yes VA... My bad.
Hazle Township PA			Username hidden (4820 post)

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