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TOPIC: Social welfare and the economy
Created by: Robert_Hil
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The right seems dead set on cutting social welfare programs in what they claim financial responsibility, yet they seem unable or unwilling to listen to anyone about how our economy is subsidized by those programs and any money taken from it is jobs lost.

A child who qualifies for reduced or free lunch from school is also likely to receive snap, if not a wic check. (Based upon age)

That isn't one social welfare program, it is two programs, both dealing with food.

Cut these programs, touch these programs and you might as well have added a new tax to crude oil, because you have destroyed jobs which sold the raw food, transported the raw food to processing plants where it is turned into food and then transported to the stores where it is bought with government subsadized money.

Before you can cut these programs, you must deal with the entitlement problem of the employers, investors and walstreet.

The days of big returns on investments must end. The expectations of making your money back in a year or even five must end if we are to get off socialism.

Until the wealthy accept their role and accept a much reduced piece of the pie, until they accept that sense the 60s/70s, they have been the biggest recipiants of social welfare, any cuts to any social welfare program might as well be a complete ban on oil and gas drilling.

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Gf:

If all someone has to look forward to in life is that kind if work, then you are nothing more than a cog. Cogs break and are tossed into the trash. That is what you have just said.

This woman by having enough money to take her kids to the zoo, only becaise she receives soci welfare has shown her kids that there is a wider world out there. A world you would keep hidden until these kids have been raised in violence that comes from your excess in working hard for no gains.

You don't like the fact that those who simply put in a day if work must have excesses, we get it... But what you don't get is that your ideals gave us the drug gangs and their mentality tha it is better to live until 40 selling drugs, than to be a cog living poor without a future.

Both lives are without a meangingful future, but selling drugs get you the excesses and girls you couldn't afford.

So either you can learn to accept social welfare that will net the recipiants a little excess or you will learn to live with the drug gangs. I live with them now, they are moving into the less populated areas now... So if we don't turn the tied on their mentality that you not I keep growing, you will get to live with them too.

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What is wrong with camping. We did that a lot. The whole family pitched in helped gather wood. Went fishing to catch our dinner. Went for walks in the woods. Saw nature as it really is. Not couped up in some damn cage.Talked around the campfire,told stories and jokes. Was some of the best times growing up.

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T You said something that I feel the same about, I see people who are on the system but driving cars I can only dream about owning or the mom and all 4 kids packing brand new I-phones, I do not know how but they are always able to park in the handicap zone,,That just floors the fuck out of me, I thought the help these people get was for food,Not junk food or cigs and booze and on and on, Our kids know we do not have much money and they also know we have to work for the things we need, Not the things we want like the boats 4 wheelers i-pads and on and on, I am going back to work in a few days I will be gone 500 miles from home for 14 days at a time, I hate being gone that long and that far from home but its a job and a damn good one,,,We do what we have to do to make it through life,,

Mickey,

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robert,

That woman who works hard for her living is showing the kids the proper way to live. NOT to do illegal things to find way to live. your thinking is more backassward on this than usual.

She may not have a lot of extra cash to spend on tv, computers phones etc. but if she is making ends meet legally, she should be seen as a hero, not a fool like yo make her out to be.

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Wealthy people dont live outside their means, thats why the remain wealthy

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"Public libraries, public parks, public museums, etc.. are all supported by my tax dollars and great places to take kids for day trips. Plus they are FREE! The aquarium and zoo are private and expensive.

What's so.wrong with living within your means. Let's teach our children about budgets. If we can't afford it, we can't buy it. Simple. If you don't have the money for the expensive trip, then I guess it's the free venue for us. Libraries offer tons of FREE programs includng live animal exhibits. The zoo and the aquarium, and all the other private attractions here are luxuries plain and simple."

I don't think anyone with half a brain could find a way to possibly disagree with this. As much as I'm an advocate for the poor and helping them with public funds to offset certain expenses (such as day care, insurance, education, etc), there needs to be some give and take here. I volunteered for about 12 years to work with the Toys For Tots campaign while I was in the Corps. I did everything from standing next to a donation box in Wal Mart or Toys R Us to running the entire T4T campaign for a 6000 square mile area and overseeing the collection and distribution of over 50k toys to low income families.

One thing that ALWAYS drove me up a wall was handing out toys to people who wouldn't need it if they had a shred of common sense. I can't tell you how many times I'd be standing at a donation box and someone would ask me how they could register to receive toys, and when I give them the phone # and/or website, they pull out a fucking iPhone. Or on distribution day, I'm handing out toys and I see a family pull up in an Escalade or BMW. Parents are dressed to the nines with the lastest name brand fashion while their kids are wearing tattered rags that 2 sizes too small.

So you've got money for an iPhone. You've got money for a really nice car. You've got money to buy really nice clothes for yourself. But you're coming here to get $25 worth of free toys because you can't afford it?

Don't get me wrong, these type of people probably made up less than 5% of all the families we provided for, so it's not like this is some sort of epidemic, but at the same time, if poor/low income people were a little more frugal with their money and made smarter purchases, they could still at least provide their kids with most of the basic needs in life, along with a few simple wants, before tapping into the public fund.

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Live:

Live within our means? When when the wealthy learn huberis, when they learn to accept a lower standard of living and tighten their belts to lift the poor up without government assistance, then come back and talk about within ones means. Because the wealthy and most every business owner lives well outside their means with a ego of self importance which is killing this nation.

They receive employees who's wages are agmented by the poor, tax breakers for buying things and whine when they are made to pay for the cost of their own businesses. Until the need for socialwelfare for everyone who works 32 - 40 hours a week is no more, because they earn a living wage that grows the economy, I will not hear complaints.

Am I saying that she should go to Disneyland? No, that would be an excess. Libaries, parks and museums have their places, but you won't know what most animals look like, much less experience them in a habitat in any of these places. You won't find a rhino in a park.

Yes, for adults, a park, museum or a libary is all we need, by children learn by experience and that is why zoos and aquariums are important.

As for the single parents and kids turning bad aspect, statistics don't lie. The more time a parent spends with their kid, the better the kid becomes and less they are influanced by bad behavior.

I can't say where you lived with your kids, but for those in the city, this is the reality.

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Gf:

What good is their in life if work is the only thing you do? That isn't living, it is existing. If existing is all you want for the poor, all you can or will afford to the people who lift you onto their shoulders, then you deserve to be dropped into the sewer where you belong, because all you do is show her kids that work doesn't pay, the selling drugs and having no regard for the law pays better.

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why arent the kids able to see the good their moms doing by working hard and raising her kids ?

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Live:

While I can understand you seeing people on welfare taking their kids to zoos and aquariums being an excess that they ought not have, do you understand the role such places present to educating kids about the world, how large it is and how diverse it really is?

If the only thing you got from the artical is someone wasting your tax money, you might need to expand your mind a little more and learn that kids don't exist in a bubble and aren't computers to be programmed.

For many living in a city, the full extent if biodiversity that they are exposed to are limited to trees, a few bush's and a hand full of animals. Beyond that, it is all on tv and the tv as an edicational tool is mostly a greater waste of time and money than a single trip to the zoo.

Now you want to bitch about how this is an excess, how about asking yourself this. If this mother can't take her kids to the zoo to fill their minds with wonder about life, if she must live each day working longer hours to feed her kids.... Who is raising her kids?

She either sent her kids with a group or went herself. This is an educational experience and a bonding experience with little suffering.

You go camping and you suffer. You must set up 2 tents, gather fire wood, set up camp... Get rained out, sleep in soggy clothing, generally a miserable few days that push family apart.

A trip to the zoo is limited to a day or two in controlled environments where you didn't have to plan days or weeks in advance and prey for good weather to have a good trip.

Could they stay in the house and spend a little less? No, the kids would be on the street learning how to sell drugs, because all they see their mother do is work herself into the grave.

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