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Ah .. The fresh stench of Lefty stenchichness. It's a human rights violation if the right does it. It's perfectly ok when the Left engages in crimes against humanity.

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Mark:

For as long as we are at war with the terrorist in their nation, we are at war with the people in that nation. So unless you are enlisting/renlisting to be deployed and are willing to raise taxes by 30% on the middle class and another 60% on the wealthy, just to pay for more war... The only words on this matter you ought to be speaking is how to end the war quickly.

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Twiddle dee and twiddle dumb have put in with their typical nonsense. Did you two not read! It is appearing the drone strikes are for the most part a complete failure. They have not been hitting high value targets. As we have been told to or actually lied to. They have been taking out innocent families as it turns out.

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Party:

They champion Paul's actions and beliefs, because of a number of issues which range from mild to wild cases of greed and fear. If you look at the majority of Paul's followers, they were poor people who managed to play the system and make money, they were starving and now are always afraid to be without again.

You see this with animals and food agression. If starved as a young pup, a dog becomes food agressive... Or stands a good chance to become so agressive.

With humans, you can see this best in somilia, where the warlords rose in power from being starving boys, pressed into service for another and then killed the last leader to take his position.

Over all, you see the condition most within nations with the least. Look at the states those like Paul come from and you will see that the majority of the people starve.

Starvation doesn't always mean food or wealth, but it could also mean social starvation. If to maintain a standard of living, one must work more than 40 hours a week as the norm, one can say that this person starves, as they must work more than they socialize with other people.

From this point, the debate becomes one of Nature vs nurture.

Human nature is to nurture, but when all that we nurture is working, we starve our children of social bonds to a society and they become fearful of everything.

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If an American is outside of jurisdiction the United States and collaborating with adjudicated terrorists, he has every right to immediately turn himself in to the nearest US or NATO Military installation or US embassy, after which he should be granted all the provisions of due process, including council, and 5th amendment protections Until then however, the vast majority of Americans agree he should be subject to death without warning be it by drone, sniper, artillery or any other means necessary. As Atty general Holder also pointed out, there may be extraordinary circumstances in which an American on American soil could be subject to the ultimate retaliation as well. For those of you who so love to quote the 2nd amendment, it is redressing these potential domestic enemies that the "defending a free state" referrers to. NO idea why Rand Paul and the loons who support him feel a need to champion the rights of domestic terrorists

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Rand Paul is mentally Ill, and most Americans know it

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So once again, the message here is the Democrats pay good lip service on human rights, right up until it comes time for them to roll up their sleeves actually act. Then, inexplicably, they're all "too busy" (except for Senator Wyden, it appears).

THEN when it becomes clear to them that the public was massively in favor of Rand Paul's attention to this issue, they all decide it's a phenomenal idea, hop on the bandwagon, and press about human rights "behind closed doors" (TRANSLATION: They all drink scotch and chat how they're going to talk to the press about how much they accomplished behind closed doors) and try to ride the coattails of the 15 or so people who actually did some work. Sounds about right for the party.

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WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama faced a tough question on drone policy from a fellow Democrat during a Senate meeting Tuesday and defended his administration's program, according to sources in the meeting.

The administration's drone program captured national attention last week when Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) carried out a nearly 13-hour filibuster to protest elements of it.

Rand specifically wanted clarification from the White House as to whether it believes it has the authority to use a drone to kill an American citizen on American soil who is not engaged in combat, as it feels it does when a citizen is on foreign soil. The day after Rand's filibuster, Attorney General Eric Holder answered that no, the president does not have such authority.

Senate Democrats were largely absent from Paul's filibuster last week. But on Monday, a group of progressive Senate Democrats pressed Obama on the issue. Details of the exchange so far are scarce.

"There was an exchange, but I don't want to get into the specifics," said Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.).

"Basically, the president said that they're doing everything they can to comply with the law and to give information to members of the Intelligence Committee," said Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), who paused for a long moment before answering. "And he said they would continue on that path."

A source in the meeting said one question was posed by Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), a member of the Committee on Intelligence. A spokesperson for Rockefeller didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

The U.S. drones program is shrouded in confusion. The media generally has portrayed the project as one that targets high-level terrorists with surgical precision, when in fact a very small percent of its targets are senior level, and hundreds of civilians have been killed. Giving people that information tends to change their attitude toward the program.

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