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Ok but remember the attack on the World Trade Center was not a first strike. Clinton did the first strike against Bin Laden. He authorized a cruise missile strike. The missile hit as the men were out training. The missile hit directly on the women and children compound of their base camp. When the men came back to find out what in the hell the explosion was and found their wives and children dead it pissed them off. Big time. So they planned the strike on the World Trade Center, as pay back. All fair according to you folks. Get ready for some more payback. Be joyous about it.

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Not what I saw in the media at all. When it was a high profile target they said so and there has been discussion about civilian casualties accruals the media for years. What's the problem ? This is what war looks like

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So all military operations are "complete failures"? We don't lose anyone in a drone strike. We also don't lose any time in getting personnel on the scene. A drone may kill a couple of innocents, or a couple dozen. Examples of millions killed are not valid.

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Mark:

So you want to be civilized huh? Show me any war that was fought in the last hundred years where only the combatants had the balls to stand up and face their deaths.

Such wars are no longer fought, the combatants on all sides will not stand their armies shoulder to shoulder and face off against each other. The civilians choose inaction and thus allow the terrorist, our enemies into their communities.

This is unacceptable. If this is a war we want to fight, then we must accept civilian deaths on any scale or we must go home. No if's, no but's no nothing. This isn't a game, this is war with a force that has no problem sending children to die in their stead.

If we choose to fight, we must steel ourselves to the deaths of children, the deaths of civilians and we must embrace the blood bath or we must go home and stay home.

If Iran overruns its neighbors and slaughters the men, enslave the women and sell the children on the black market... That too must be the burden of inaction.

Humans are limited, war is ugly and until some force greater than we comes on down here and changes things... Two truths are undeniable.

War involves civilians, always has always will.

Humans are very good at killing their enemies.... And everyone else.

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Out: Yes it is warfare. I agree. There is precedence of targeting civilians not directly involved in belligerent actions. When the US fire bombed Dresden Germany in WWII, 10,000 people died that night. This happens in total war. An entire people fighting an entire people. Remember the picture of the girl who was running naked and was burned by a napalm strike during Vietnam? There were no enemy combatants in the immediate area of where she was. That picture helped to drive public support against the involvement of our effort in Vietnam. Killing people who are other wise not in any way supporting a war effort in my opinion is not moral. Those people are not sand niggers or rag heads to me. They are human. I do not think accepting civilian loss of life in large numbers justifies getting one or two high value targets because it is war. In the long run it can hurt us as a nation. When someone loses family or friends for what they perceive as murder, can fill those people with great resolve and seek revenge. Some times for generations. The Armenians and Turks for example.

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Never mind the media, this is warfare. Since when is a military operation a "complete failure" simply because "high value targets" were not the only people killed?

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IMO he is closer to Nixon than Carter. Carter at least believed in the rights of citizens.

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The media generally has portrayed the project as one that targets high-level terrorists with surgical precision, when in fact a very small percent of its targets are senior level, and hundreds of civilians have been killed.

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Mark Carmen wrote:

" Did you two not read! It is appearing the drone strikes are for the most part a complete failure. They have not been hitting high value targets. "

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Where may we read about this?

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So hilarious that the Pubs are still in denial about getting a cold slap in the face back in November. I bet if you added up ALL the imaginary tin foil hat anecdotes about imaginary voter fraud, who knows, that might account for as much as 70 or 80 votes,,,unfortunately for them, Obama won by nearly 5 million votes, and that is not even talking into account that Willard and karl Rove thought the fix was in in Ohio, which is why Rove did that drooling spitting hissy fit on Fox and Willard took 2 hours to concede WE THE PEOPLE spoke... The President has the war on terror under control....mentally ill nut balls like Rand Paul need to just stay out of the way

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