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Oh for crying out loud.... the 99 has nothing to do with it.

1. 5 items $1.99 $30.99 $5.99 $9.99 $7.99 total $56.86 + 5.75% NC tax = $60.13 round up to $60.15 you lose 2 cents 2. 4 items $1.99 $30.99 $5.99 $9.99 = $48.87 + 5.75% NC tax = $51.68 round up to $51.70 you lose 2 cents 3. 5 items $1.99 $33.99 $5.99 $9.99 $7.99 total $82.86 + 5.75% NC tax = $87.62 round down to $87.60 you gain 2 cents 4. 1 item $3.99 + 5.75% NC tax = $4.22 you gain 2 cents

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VAB I disagree retailers like to use the .99, instead of adding one more cent to make it even. This would either mean going to the nickle less then the full dollar amount.

But in the case of taxes it would be rounded up, costing consumers and giving the stooges more money to throw down the drain. In the long run for consumers it would be a wash. For some retailers it might mean a small loss.

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That would suck for people who prefer to use cash...

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Let's just save the time and go to a complete electronic monitory system.

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I never thought about it but it's true about the fishing in your pockets for a penny.

Then the take a penny cup is empty...

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While visiting Canada recently, many retailers had already begun this. Most people seemed fine with it.

I take issue with this "pro-penny argument"

Prices will increase - If we eliminate the penny, everything will have to be rounded to the nickel. Merchants will probably round everything up in their favor, costing us more for everything we buy. The poor pay the most - A corollary to the above argument says that the poor will be affected the most, because they are most likely to make more frequent, smaller purchases, thus suffering the rounding up more often.

This would only be the case in the event of people making predictable purchase combinations in the absence of sales tax. People don't usually buy just *one* thing, and when they do, there is usually sales tax which confounds the whole thing.

The idea is you'll win some and lose some, but the end outcome is almost breakeven. You'll lose one or two cents equally as often as you gain.

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Anti-Penny Arguments The folks who want to retire the penny also have some compelling arguments, including these:

Pennies are worthless - They don't buy anything, many people just throw them away, and nobody wants to use them, so let's just get rid of them!

Pennies waste time - The average American wastes 2.4 hours a year handling pennies, or waiting for people who handle them. This statistic, which is cited by the folks at Retire The Penny dot org, is the result of compiling a number of penny-handling related events, including the ubiquitous 30 second period we sometimes spend waiting for someone who just has to dig through their pockets or purse to find that last cent so they can pay for something with exact change (probably so they don't get stuck with any more pennies.)

Making pennies wastes taxpayer money - It costs the U.S. Mint 1.26 cents to make each 1 cent coin, meaning that taxpayers are losing 0.26 of a cent for each one of the 7.4 billion pennies the Mint produces each year.

Making pennies wastes time - The U.S. Mint makes an average of 20.27 million pennies per day to produce its 7.4 billion penny annual output. If we just get rid of the penny, the Mint would only have to do half the work! And we're not even counting the time, fuel, expense, and hassle of carting all of those pennies around to the banks, merchants, etc. If we stop making pennies in the first place, we save all this associated time and trouble, too.

Rounding-up prices wouldn't matter - The anti-penny folks rebut the rounding-up argument by pointing out that we wouldn't pay more for each item we buy, only for the total price of what we buy. Even if you shop 2 or 3 times a day, (which most people don't,) and even if the rounding goes against you 2 times out of 3, (which it shouldn't,) we're still only talking about a 3 or 4 cents per day at the most! Most people throw more than 4 cents' worth of pennies into the jar (or trash) each day anyway!

Pennies < minimum wage - A recent New Yorker article pointed out that pennies are so worthless now that it doesn't even pay the federal minimum wage to stoop to pick one up off the street unless you can do it in 6.15 seconds or less.

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Pro-Penny Arguments Those who think we should keep the U.S. penny cite the following arguments to support their position:

Prices will increase - If we eliminate the penny, everything will have to be rounded to the nickel. Merchants will probably round everything up in their favor, costing us more for everything we buy.

The poor pay the most - A corollary to the above argument says that the poor will be affected the most, because they are most likely to make more frequent, smaller purchases, thus suffering the rounding up more often.

Charities need pennies - There are thousands of small charities that depend on penny drives to bring in donations. People think nothing of pouring out their old penny jars to support these drives, but they won't part with nickels so easily.

Nickels cost even more to make - If we eliminate the penny, we will need more nickels in circulation. Nickels cost 7.7 cents to make, (2.7 cents over face value, as opposed to 0.26 cents over face value to make a penny,) so making each nickel costs 1.44 cents more than making each penny. Since the penny costs 0.26 more than face value to make, the Mint can make 5 pennies and still lose less money than making 1 nickel. And, of course, if we eliminate the penny, we'll need a lot more nickels, which will offset the savings of stopping penny manufacture.

Pennies are sentimental - The fact is that Americans love their pennies and hate to change things. We've always had pennies and therefore always should have pennies, according to this thinking. (This is the same thinking that rejects eliminating the paper dollar in favor of a much more cost-effective coin, and that rejected the metric system despite the fact that virtually the entire rest of the world uses it.) Americans are traditionalists and the Lincoln Cent is the epitome of modern day circulating coin tradition.

And anyway, Lincoln is on the penny! - 'Nuff said!

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I've wondered for years why we still have the penny. Except for sales tax what else would you use the for?

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anyone ever serve overseas for the military knows that the Gov does NOT use the penny at all outside CONUS. So yes why not get rid of it??

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