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Ya, it's totally impossible a few low level phone operators/answer takers were 'convinced to skew the data. It's not strange at all for the numbers to suddenly drop after 3.5 years right before the election. I seem to recall that Clinton had a bunch of 'coincidences' too.

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Sedu:

Please learn to read.

Unlike banks, everything BLS does is open to the public. It would be easier for the banks to lie than BLS, because any moron who can count and do statistical math can check their math. A bank requires specialized people who are sworn to maintaining the confidentiality of your accounts.

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I'm embarrassed I wasted time even to poke fun at this nonsense.

The thread title begins with the word "serious."

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........and Banks have never cooked the books. lol

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Ok,

Let me try one last time, banks are regulated by the federal government. They have internal audit, and external audit, aka FEDERALES! that come from the federal government to ensure that the bank is in compliance with the regulations. If the bank is not following the regulations, depending on the severity, they'll be warned at first. If they continue to ignore the federal government, they'll be shut down eventually.

How does it work in the case of BLS, who AUDITS that office, which branch of the government, and whom are these auditors reporting to?

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"The data is public."

They make public the names and numbers they call?

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The process is public.

The data is public.

The only thing that is secret is the data right while it is collected. As soon as it is released, it is all released.

That is what the article I posted was about. Economists not employed by the BLS looked at the process, and verified that the process was completed the way it always has, and in accordance with accepted practices.

There are any number of inspectors in the Department of Labor that ensure the integrity of the process.

There are other surveys that collect some of the same data independently, and come up with generally the same conclusion.

The answers are there, you are just having trouble seeing them.

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I didn't ask you HOW and WHO is being interviewed, I asked how are the numbers CHECKED to ensure that they weren't changed/skewed/fucked with. Who is the agency reporting to?

I don't know how else to simplify it for you.

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He's the Mormanchurian candidate!

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I answered your question, both here and on the other site.

It is an issue of statistical noise. When you do a survey, you only talk to a sample of the entire population. In this case, it is about 55K households.

You have a range of outcomes, from talking to 55K households that have no job (100% unemployment) to 55K households that all have jobs (0% unemployment). Most outcomes will be somewhere in the middle, and, ideally, the most frequent outcome will correspond to the actual outcome if you had surveyed everyone. But often it is not.

I don't know how many different ways to say it. People much more familiar with the data and procedures have looked and come to the conclusion that there was nothing sinister about the data collection or manipulation.

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