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User Details are only visible to members.	Page 1 of 3 Status Quo of Governance Four years ago, many Americans heard a voice that spoke of hope as if it was the cure for all of the economic uncertainties and challenges our nation would face. We saw a confident and younger man whose smile assured us that a fundamental change of the landscape and partisan politics in Washington, DC, was possible; the remedy for all our woes. And the message of hope and change seemed preferable to the static rhetoric of the more conservative candidate intent on maintaining a status quo of governance. To make things even more attractive, the image of this promising presidential candidate reminded Americans that ethnic equality mattered to them. It gave them an opportunity to make history as well as a personal statement. By casting their ballots against racial intolerance and the limitations of any perceived color barrier, they felt better about themselves. It was a chance to make a first in history and sweep in refreshing reforms to a stale style of government; dismantling the dreadful machinery of two wars many believed had been waged on false pretense; a chance to be vindicated for opposing a presidential candidate eight years earlier, whom some were certain had stolen an election. Upon this backdrop, victory was achieved for the hope and change candidate. And with the passing of the mantle of power into the hands of a more liberal president, came something that many did not bargain for: Four years of tinge and taint. On the one hand, this new president had a blank check upon which to write and enact real government reform. The agent of change in the White House had party majorities in both houses of Congress. In other words, whatever legislative reforms he wished to pass could be done purely along partisan lines if opposition arose across the aisle. All this president had to do was convince his own party members in Congress to pass the needed legislation, and the other party would be powerless to stop him. Indeed, he had a blank check and could set spending priorities in whatever manner desired.
Tulare CA			Username hidden (1881 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Sedu: "National Guard is like Auxiliary police!" No, the national guard is the auxiliary to the military. You do not see the national guard arresting people on the streets, you do not see the national guard responding to 911 calls. You do however see the national guard being deployed to war zones across the world... which is why I strongly believe in a national draft. If we drafted everyones child as they graduated or quit high school to fight these wars. (No college deferments, no religious deferments... you will serve in the armed forces in some capacity... even if we must make a E-1 cook in the back out of you... you will serve.) The loss of their youngest adulthood years will remind them of the cost of war. Personally if it could be done, I believe that every 12th grader should be made to take a field trip to our hospitals where our veterans are being pieced back together... Where they can be rebuilt. Forced to see what a vote for a war hawk gets them in another year.
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User Details are only visible to members.	Fjep: "Not according to Obama, are you disagreeing with you Messiah?" Yes I am. Which I do often... but he is still the better of the two candidates.
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User Details are only visible to members.	I said the same thing 4 year ago about your fucking Hope and Change. Never Materialized. "Is it possible to come up with a more worthless suggestion? "
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User Details are only visible to members.	"While your nation is at war, there is only one service that counts... The armed services. National guard, or active duty. That is it. " Not according to Obama, are you disagreeing with you Messiah?
Sanford NC			Username hidden (18796 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	National Guard is like Auxiliary police!
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User Details are only visible to members.	Fjep: "Either a person serves or they don't. I don't give a damn about the reason. If he served as a missionary that is service to somebody. You do know that is one of the things Obamawhacky claims to support?" While your nation is at war, there is only one service that counts... The armed services. National guard, or active duty. That is it.
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User Details are only visible to members.	Bobby nothing stopped Obama from enlisting in the military. If Romney should have served then so should the dipshit in office now.
Sanford NC			Username hidden (18796 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	M, I was responding to Bobby also ;)
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User Details are only visible to members.	CLINTON DODGED DRAFT IN 1969, JOURNAL SAYS Desert News Published: Thursday, Feb. 6 1992 12:00 a.m. MST In 1969 as the Vietnam War raged, 23-year-old Bill Clinton avoided the draft by promising to study law and join a reserve officers training program at the University of Arkansas, but he never did, The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday. At the time, Clinton was studying as a Rhodes scholar at Oxford University but graduate school draft deferments had ended in 1967. Clinton was classified 1-A - available for military service - when he graduated from Georgetown University in the spring of 1968. But because of his Rhodes scholar status, his local draft board allowed him to continue his studies at Oxford, the Journal reported."As old as he was, he would have been at the top of the list" to be drafted, the Journal quoted Opal Ellis, the draft board's executive secretary, as saying. "We were proud to have a Hot Springs boy with a Rhodes scholarship," and so "the board was very lenient with him. We gave him more than he was entitled to," she said. The Democratic candidate for president told the Journal, "The board said, `You'll probably be called in the fall, September or October (of 1969).' " When he returned home after his first year at Oxford, the Journal said, he knew the draft was imminent. The Journal quoted Ellis as saying Clinton "went in and told me he was too well-educated to go" and that he also told her that "he was going to fix my wagon (and) pull every string he could think of." Clinton told the Journal he did not recall a confrontation with Ellis and denied he used strong-arm tactics to avoid the draft. Anyone who says he did, Clinton said, "has, at best, a faulty memory." The Journal said that as the draft loomed nearer, Clinton met Col. Eugene Holmes, an Army ROTC recruiter at the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville. Both men, the newspaper reported, said Clinton agreed orally to join the Army officer training program at the law school there. Based on that agreement, the Hot Springs draft board on Aug. 7, 1969, reclassified Clinton from 1-A to 1-D - a draft deferment that a spokesman for the Selective Service said was only for people who had joined a reserve unit, or who were students taking military training, such as the ROTC. However, the Journal reported, Clinton never enrolled at the University of Arkansas and never joined the ROTC training program. When he returned to the United States in 1970, he enrolled at Yale Law School. The Journal also quotes Clinton's mother, Virginia Kelley, as saying she did not recall Clinton planning to attend Arkansas. "That's very strange," she said. "I was under the impression when he came home from Oxford that he was going to go to Yale." Holmes said of the 1-D deferment: "I couldn't have done it for a year. That wouldn't have been ethical." He charged that "Clinton was able to manipulate things so that he didn't have to go in." On Oct. 30, 1969, Clinton was reclassified 1-A and was ready to be conscripted, the Journal said, but he was never called. A new draft lottery system, based on dates of birth, was enacted on Nov. 26 and on Dec. 1, 1969, Clinton got number 311. No one with a number higher than 195 was called, according to the Selective Service System.
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