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Actually attempting suicide IS a crime and unless you consider the FBI, CDC, NEGM, Surion General and other agencies the "radical left" (under Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43).....you are wrong about only leftists counting suicides as well

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I already went into it re: Japan. Trains, bridges, hanging and self-poisoning make up the majority of suicides. Likewise with South Korea. Why are Asians (or rather, people in Asian countries) in general FAR more likely to commit suicide? Cultural? Perhaps.

But like I said - suicide rates are higher in many other countries. France, Switzerland, Finland, New Zealand, Belgium, Ireland - not exactly 3rd world shitholes.

By the way, the notion that the US is teeming with guns at a dramatically higher rate than other countries is not entirely true. Ownership is between 2 and 3 times as high in the US as in Finland, Canada, Sweden, Norway, France, Austria, Germany and Iceland, but the homicide rate with guns is dramatically lower in those countries.

I've already gone into some statistics re: demographics which got me panned as a racist, but I still insist anyone who ignores that is doing so to protect their belief system.

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Damn Robert I hate to say it,but you are correct about that.

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I don't see any previous allusion to "gun control" per se. It's gone from pop tarts to suicide by gun/other.

A despondent person in China might wonder why anyone in America would ever commit suicide. That Chinese person might feel their life would be just beginning if they could somehow be an American citizen. Like winning the lottery.

Suicide rates are higher in prison without guns than they are outside prison. Add guns to prison, and it would get even uglier, we may presume.

In Japan, do they still fall on their sword?

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Suicide is a personal choice. It isn't a crime (like murder) it is a choice and to be free, means to make a choice in taking ones own life.

The only people who count suicide along side the gun violence are the radical left, it makes real discussion more difficult and if you are going to continue to involve suicides, then you must learn to label the groupings of deaths by fire arms so that it maybe removed in the discussion.

Anyone learning or who knows statistics would know you can easily throw the numbers off by adding any grouping you want into the mix. Suicide and accidental deaths ought not be involved.

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So given that the suicide rate in Japan is twice that of the US with NO guns, are Japanese people just that much more determined to kill themselves?

Or South Koreans, who have triple the rate of suicide, but 1/88th the rate of gun ownership.

Seems like logically if South Koreans had guns North Korea wouldn't even need to go to war for everyone in South Korea to be dead.

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Down under people stated hanging themselves more after they took their guns. Guess they should have taken the rope to. If someone wants to kill themselves they will find a way to do it. Guns or no guns.

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Gun ownership correlates to suicide by gun. Whoop de do. All that suggests is that firearm ownership influences choice of suicide method. I'm also betting that train suicide is not very high in countries without trains, and suicide by intentional car accident is low among people who don't own cars. Suicide by hanging is probably low for quadraplegics.

Ever heard of Paraquat? A herbicide, and widely used for suicide in third world countries because it's cheap and widely available. It is the method of choice in many places. In some countries, over 70% of suicides are self-administered Paraquat. Yet, we don't use it here for suicide. Why?

Is there a correlation between gun ownership and just plain suicide rate? THAT would be significant.

But, whatever. Congrats on making this yet another thread about gun control.

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It also seems that unstable people frequently grab a gun when they mean to do some killin', and they may end up killing themselves. Murder-suicide is often the result, though one part or the other may fail to result.

Most death delivery systems require more than a fleeting instant of rage or despair. The gun translates that momentary thought to a deadly reality.

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Research published in the New England Journal of Medicine and the National Academy of Science found an association between household firearm ownership and gun suicide rates, though a study by one researcher did not find a statistically significant association between household firearms and gun suicide rates, except in the suicides of children aged 5–14. During the 1980s and early 1990s, there was a strong upward trend in adolescent suicides with a gun, as well as a sharp overall increase in suicides among those age 75 and over. Two separate studies, in Canada and Australia, conducted in conjunction with more restrictive firearms legislation, demonstrated that while legislation showed a decrease in firearms suicide, other methods such as hanging increased. In Australia, the overall rate of suicide continued along an increasing trend, not decreasing until measures specifically aimed to provide support for those intent on suicide were implemented. Research also indicates no association vis-à-vis safe-storage laws of guns that are owned, and gun suicide rates; and studies that attempt to link gun ownership to likely victimology often fail to account for the presence of guns owned by other people.Researchers have shown that safe-storage laws do not appear to affect gun suicide rates or juvenile accidental gun death

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