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"obesity is not just about added costs to our already-straining health budgets, as problematic as that is in itself. Obesity also creates real challenges to our overall economy, to the public health, and to our national security. From an economic perspective, obesity has a serious impact in multiple additional areas beyond health costs, including national productivity, transportation, and lost opportunities for individuals. From a national security perspective, obesity creates retention and recruitment problems for the U.S. military, and the Pentagon already spends approximately $1 billion annually dealing with weight- related issues. And from a public health perspective, obesity is linked to higher rates of debilitating conditions such as hypertension, Type 2 diabetes, and heart disease."

obesitycampaign.o rg/documents/StudyAssessingtheEconomicsofObesityandObesityIntervention.pdf ======================

Obesity is the elephant that is sitting it's lardy posterior on our economic system. Yet we're focusing on one demographic, the smokers, who are clearly not as big of a burden as the fat contingent!

Yet the tubbies are insisting on lecturing the smokers! LOL!

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No shit!

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"Obese Workers Cost Companies More than Smokers

Obese nonsmokers cost their employers nearly $600 more per year in healthcare expenditures than normal-weight smokers, HealthDay News reported April 13.

Smokers cost companies $1,275 more than nonsmokers, while obese employees cost their companies $1,850 more than normal-weight workers, researchers from the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, N.Y., find. Workers who are morbidly obese (with a body-mass index score of 40 or higher) weigh even more heavily on the bottom line, racking up $5,500 more per year in health costs than normal-weight employees."

wellbeingwire.meyouhealth.c om/physical-health/obese-workers-cost-companies-more-than-smokers/

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"Overweight or obese full-time workers with other chronic health conditions miss 450 million more days of work each year than would healthy workers, costing businesses $153 billion annually in lost productivity, according to a recent Gallup poll. More than 85 percent of workers are obese, overweight or have a chronic health condition the study found.

In addition to lost productivity costs, employers often pay more in medical costs for overweight or obese employees. Obese workers cost companies 42 percent more in medical expenditures, according to the Southeast Missourian.

State and local governments around the country are increasing their focus on wellness as part of an attempt to decrease medical and productivity costs. Experts estimate that that if obesity continues to rise at its current rate, it will cost Michigan $12.5 billion in medical costs in 2018.

Los Angeles County launched a campaign earlier this month called RENEW LA, which aims to reduce obesity rates by educating the public about the health consequences of sugary drinks, Walnut Patch reported. Obese and overweight workers cost the county about $6 million a year in lost productivity."

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It costs more to employ and provide healthcare for people with disabilities, but it's still illegal to discriminate against the handicapped/disabled/physically challenged.

You wouldn't support the same logic being applied to deny the handicapped work opportunities, would you?

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Cplo...it;'s simple free market capitalism It costs less to employ and offer benefits to a non smoker than a smoker You do support capitalism, don't you?

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Yeah, the hypocrisy is overflowing.

I get it that many non-smokers don't want to be around smokers. Admittedly, I'm unhealthy to be around. Hell, I don't even like being around smokers unless I'm actually smoking.

I just don't understand how anyone could be in favor of employers setting hiring or retention policies around the legal activities that people choose to engage in on their own time. This isn't a stance I'm taking because I'm a smoker, it's a stance I'm taking because I don't want my boss dictating what I can or can't do on the weekend.

The claim that this is being done in the name of promoting healthier living and lowering insurance costs is ridiculous. It's no different than if pre-employment requirements included a weigh in and body fat measurement. Other than military or law enforcement, I can't think of too many other professions where weight or BMI are relevant.

Once we've eliminated the smokers, the overweight and the drinkers from the job market, what's next? Pre-employment health screenings to look for any history of heart disease or cancer? Maybe a condition of employment will be that everyone practices safe sex or abstinence in order to avoid STD's and unplanned pregnancies. Will swingers be subjected to paying higher premiums because we are more "at risk" than those living in monogamous relationships, or will we simply be ineligible for employment because we happen to love fucking other people?

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A combination of both, Mr.T ;).

Do you find it odd that he would have these demands on others, but not of himself? It's like that winner from the BBW thread, whose wife is like 2 bills, who decided to inform us that fat women smell bad ;).

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Agreed.

I am against banning the use of tobacco and alcohol, and the idea of decriminalizing some illegal drugs is becoming more appealing to me... But you will pay for that damage in way of the cost of your coverage.

Yes, there comes a point where you won't be able to afford the higher prices and you will default to the tax payment plan. That is why I want the rich to realize that the only way they can stop socialism and communism, is to provide a living wage, compete to be the job which provides more, not less.

Until that happens, the people will continue to turn to the government for help, drugs for an escape.

Most people are weak, a society based upon only the strong is one which the strong become fewer and the weak lose their fear of the strong and the strong are forced out from their positions of power.

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This is an example of Obama care some dreaded, but the rest of us have applauded. The least talked about dividend of Obama care is that contrary to what it's opponents claim, it will promote personal responsibility and accountability. These are things the right loves to talk about when it comes to others, but fail miserably when it comes to themselves. Responsibility will be rewarded, irresponsibly will cost you...as it should be

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