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TOPIC: Our Mercenaries in Iraq: Blackwater Inc and Bush's Undeclared Surge

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On Tuesday, five employees of the private security firm Blackwater USA were killed in a violent Baghdad neighborhood. Hours later, President Bush used his State of the Union address to call on what some are calling an undeclared surge of private mercenaries in Iraq. We speak with Jeremy Scahill, author of the forthcoming “Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army.The private security firm Blackwater USA is back in the news again. On Tuesday, hours before President Bush’s State of the Union address, one of the company’s helicopters was brought down in a violent Baghdad neighborhood. Five Blackwater troops - all Americans - were killed. Reports say the men’s bodies show signs of execution-style deaths with bullet wounds to the back off the head. Blackwater provided no identities or details of those killed. They did release a statement saying the deaths “are a reminder of the extraordinary circumstances under which our professionals voluntarily serve to bring freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people.” President Bush made no mention of the incident during his State of the Union. But he did address the very issue that has brought dozens of private security companies like Blackwater to Iraq in the first place: the need for more troops.

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On Tuesday, five employees of the private security firm Blackwater USA were killed in a violent Baghdad neighborhood. Hours later, President Bush used his State of the Union address to call on what some are calling an undeclared surge of private mercenaries in Iraq. We speak with Jeremy Scahill, author of the forthcoming “Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army.The private security firm Blackwater USA is back in the news again. On Tuesday, hours before President Bush’s State of the Union address, one of the company’s helicopters was brought down in a violent Baghdad neighborhood. Five Blackwater troops - all Americans - were killed. Reports say the men’s bodies show signs of execution-style deaths with bullet wounds to the back off the head. 
Blackwater provided no identities or details of those killed. They did release a statement saying the deaths “are a reminder of the extraordinary circumstances under which our professionals voluntarily serve to bring freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people.” 

President Bush made no mention of the incident during his State of the Union. But he did address the very issue that has brought dozens of private security companies like Blackwater to Iraq in the first place: the need for more troops.

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User Details are only visible to members.	yinyang, I agree with most everything you state. Even as a private contractor, I still have to submit all my after action reports to our government, as well as a copy to the US Ambassador, assigned to the country I am doing business in. Yes, you are correct, that due to the sensitivity and the need to keep many of the operations "low key", the general public must "trust" not only me, but our government that we are doing the right and honorable thing. Having said that I would like to point out that this type of work has been in existence long before Bush and Cheney got in office. I retired from the USAF in 1995 and started doing this in 1997 under President Clinton. Making accusations that imply all of us are nefarious and somehow linked to President Bush or VP Cheney is conspiracy theory at it's best. Personally, I only accept work where a legitimate threat and/or need for protection exists. I am not a show piece, nor a paid assassin. Although I could make even more money providing security consultation and personal protection to celebrities, I decline to because most do not need real security, nor do they follow security protocols. I do not carry peoples luggage, open their doors or cater to their personal needs. If they do not take my work and their security seriously then I decline to provide my services.
Minden NV			Username hidden (4041 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	I actually can agree with yingyang about accountability for our policies. Yes the government does seem to whitewash the effects of our policies, irregardless of what political party is in power, however now that the left isn't in control of the white house they seem to find it convient to point these things out, at least until Queen Hilary takes control then all the bad things we do will just go away. I do think we need to reconsile with people who have been inadvertantly hurt by our miliary. As far as political policy is concerned, I really have a hard time accepting that it is acceptable for people to kill and murder because they feel shafted politically. Shit we shaft and get shafted politically all over the world, but neither we or our the people we shaft politically try to kill each other over trade disputes. We argue call each other names, and then hopefully come up with a compromise. Politics is our best alternative to bashing each other over the heads wiith rocks, although sometimes I feel the good ole days head bashing were more simple and striaght forward times. Maybe I should dust of my club............
Arlington TX			Username hidden (2285 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Security work is like any work - good actors, and bad actors. Different people have different ethical lines. Unfortunately, different clients also have good actors and bad actors. And a bad actor client can employ a bad actor contractor. And the combination can cause bad results for everybody. The danger I see is that security contractors are carrying guns in a zone that the US has committed to police, but the interests of contractors are not necessarily going to mesh with the interests of the US military. Consider if every "rent-a-cop" in the US suddenly concluded that they could engage in high-speed pursuits, go to suspects homes to make arrests, and carry out other police functions. The result would not be acceptable to the American public.
Austin TX			Username hidden (378 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	How do you know this is reality? I am self employed and perform much of the same work that Blackwater does. The difference is Blackwater is a large corporation, where I work independently. However, I break bread with and personally know many of those that head the organization as well as some of those it employs. You may not find it honorable work, but I do. If you choose to believe the "talking points" that you presented, that is your prerogative. I know different, as I am well trained and experienced in Personal and private security. I don’t know what you do for a living but I bet I could research the job or employment you have find some "historic" or past individuals who used that type of employment to commit crimes or misdeeds and then write a book full of conjecture and biased making everyone who does your type of work look sinister. Stop drinking the Kool Aid.
Minden NV			Username hidden (4041 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	The Bush lovers don't want see the reality!
Santa Cruz CA			Username hidden (39 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Well how peter tosh wouId say"I'm not in this world To live up to your expectations Neither are you here to live up to mine, yeah I don't owe no one No obligation No I don't mean none So everything is fine, fine I said I am that I am I am I am Iam"
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User Details are only visible to members.	If you like burning spear you have to get down with Morgan Heritage and Capelton.... Thats the culture vibes now.. More Fire...More Fire....More fire Thank God, you aint another square.
Brooklyn NY			Username hidden (118 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	I meant,the abissinians,Burning spear,culture,gladiators and many other.
Santa Cruz CA			Username hidden (39 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	oh....when you say roots you mean what? Morgan Heritage? Sizzla? Luciano? Gregory? Jacob Miler?
Brooklyn NY			Username hidden (118 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	No we're into roots reggae
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