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User Details are only visible to members.	Simply showing someone how to answer a test question correctly isn't proving they know how to "think", it's proving they can memorize. My point is that memorization has become more important than critical thinking and problem solving. It's how well you can pass a test rather than how well you understand the subject matter on that test. And all because someone decided that handing out a standardized test, tailored to a single common denominator, was a good way to judge how well all students throughout that grade level were doing. Genius or not, they're all taking the same test. How can you possibly know how much potential a child has if they are tested to the standard that everyone should be able to pass if given enough time? How many really bright kids are being dumb'd down during class while the ADD kid is busy picking the laminate strip off his desk because Zod forbid the kids with learning problems be sent to a different classroom. At the end of the day, the teacher doesn't have to do anything more than teach their entire class how to pass a test. It's a lot like giving every kid a ribbon at a race, even if they willingly decide to quit before the race was over. Sure every student has to participate, but for the race to be considered a complete success only 70% of them have to simply finish and we'll still give the remaining 30% the same accolades for trying.
Long Beach CA			Username hidden (1667 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	I agree that the Fed Gov't should stay out of education.
Pittsburgh PA			Username hidden (14772 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	"There's no critical thinking being taught in Math and Science any more at the younger levels of education. " Wouldn't this depend on the teacher?
Flat Rock NC			Username hidden (2991 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	VAC I agree with that, but state and local government still put requirements on the department of education in each district.
Sanford NC			Username hidden (18897 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	The Federal government has no Constitutional authority to be involved in education.So that kinda sums it up.
Berryville VA			Username hidden (1559 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Tests and memorization are good exercise for the brain, it is recommended for older people to prevent or slow alzheimer's disease. Tests are a critical part of measuring learning progress, and locating problems and correcting them. Whether in education, in the lab, in the field, or in business. Testing and measuring are critical to every single aspect of commerce. And where do people work?
Sanford NC			Username hidden (18897 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	I never took them. But I have seen how they teach now and am not really impressed.
Berryville VA			Username hidden (1559 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	"My biggest beef with the "standardized test method" criteria for passing a test is that its simply telling an educator how well you can memorize the answers you were taught. Not how to answer a question, simply how to remember the answer. " You cannot remember an answer to a math problem...well, unless you have the EXACT same problem, which is doubtful.
Pittsburgh PA			Username hidden (14772 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	"There's no critical thinking being taught in Math and Science any more at the younger levels of education. It's simply textbook memorization and repeatability." when was there? I took standardized tests. I'm assuming you did also. Teachers don't like it because they are now being held accountable.
Pittsburgh PA			Username hidden (14772 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	When Ghost was in schoool, they were using abacus's. ;) There's no critical thinking being taught in Math and Science any more at the younger levels of education. It's simply textbook memorization and repeatability. I'm not a fan of the "teach the test to get more kids in college" mentality. None of my friends in education are either. If you want proof it doesn't work as prescribed, just look at all the wonderful liberal arts majors out there flipping burgers or waiting tables just to pay back massive school loans for jobs they will probably never get in the field they majored in. It's silly that these kids aren't given the proper tools they need to succeed if their first attempt in the job market ends in failure. 4 to 6 years "on the job" is nearly equivalent to a college degree to most employers now. Why would anyone hire some kid fresh out of college when they've got 4 years of on the job training already built in to Spike who barely graduated high school but started off in the mail room and worked his way up? He gets the promotion, and college educated Billy gets left doing mail room work until he's got the same experience. My biggest beef with the "standardized test method" criteria for passing a test is that its simply telling an educator how well you can memorize the answers you were taught. Not how to answer a question, simply how to remember the answer. What exactly does that translate to in a real world job? How many people here can honestly say they "phone in" their job on a day to day basis. How many of your employers just hand over your paycheck solely based on your ability to memorize something? How many of you don't have to think outside the box on the job to complete a task you've been assigned? How many of you can simply walk into your bosses office and demand a better job because you have memorized everything about the job you want? Why can't people see this is creating a bigger problem then it resolves?
Long Beach CA			Username hidden (1667 post)

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