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@FJ, if you were to administer a "state mandated" test that shows your overall level of education when compared to the national accepted standard, you wouldn't write it so that only a few (being the best and brightest...or in the case of my analogy, the Neurologist) would be the only ones to pass it, you'd write it so everyone (being the Janitor half of the analogy) can pass it. We don't care if you're smart, just so long as you meet a minimum standard.

Until you reach a certain grade, that score doesn't even have a direct influence on your GPA, meaning, no matter how well you scored on that test, it means nothing to you other than you passed or failed, and even when you reach your sophmore year in HS, it holds no weight with how well you can take a test that IS designed to test your ability to remember and apply what you know (The SAT's).

The "standard" it sets, based on how and what it is tested, is that average students are doing average-ly. If your school happens to "average" out better than others, you're given a letter grade A-F, and the funding to your school is either increased or decreased based on that score and that score ALONE. It turns teachers into proctors and forces them to give up valuable class time to teach a test instead of teaching at the level their students may be at.

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*When Ghost was in schoool, they were using abacus's. ;)*

OH MY WORD! lol!

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"It would be silly to think a Neurologist would take the same test as a Janitor, but that's exactly what a standardized test does with our students. "

Please elaborate? Standardized tests set a standard, and check to see the standard is met. This has always been the case. Each class and subject has it's own standards and tests. If the students are being taught just to pass a standardized test the problem is not with the students or even bureaucracy, the problem is with the lazy teachers.

Standard tests have been with us before I was in school, they were there in a catholic private school. All industry has some standards and tests to reflect those standards. In some cases there are things both a neurologist and a janitor must know. But some idiots think that they both should go through business guessing on what they are.

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I don't know what schools have neurologists and janitors taking the same tests, but if it makes a valid judgment about the school, and a tentative appraisal of the teacher, it should be a good thing, yes?

A local school system may decide they will be teaching "intelligent creation" or some such weird shit. Would that be preferable to what the nation's foremost educators believe is important and valid?

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I'm thinking they need to start 'teaching to the test'

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From floridapathtosuccess. org

Q: While the end goal may be to genuinely prepare our young people for the future, how will teaching to the test do this?

A: We do not want – or ask – teachers to teach to the test. We want educators to teach to the Next Generation Sunshine State Standards, which they helped create. If students can meet the expectations of the standards, then the test will take care of itself.

These new standards require students to dive deeper into and learn more about important concepts instead of learning bits and pieces about lots of concepts. Students will need to demonstrate real skills and knowledge, not just an ability to pass a test. Our new standards require students to think critically, to work cooperatively, and to problem solve creatively—skills critical for success in the workplace and for the jobs of tomorrow.

It’s the standards—not the FCAT—that make this possible. We must prepare Florida’s children to be competitors in their local community, in the state, in the nation and the global economy, and through our dedicated teachers, new standards and assessments, that will happen.

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"Higher than average FCAT scores do not mean a student will score higher than average on their SAT's, which should be the case each and every time if it's to be believed that these tests do what they say they do. "

Well then shame on the lot of you. You all should be embarrassed.

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Because a standardized test is given to many students, there is a valid correlation between each question and a student's total score. If it's a history test, and a question is: Who led the American League in home runs in 1964: Harmon Killebrew, Mickey Mantle, or Rocky Colavito -- there would be zero correlation between "correct on this question" and "high score on the test". This question would therefore receive very little weight on a student's score.

If the question is "who succeeded Nixon as President: Carter, Rockefeller, or Ford", there might be a pretty high correlation between those who get this right and those who score highly on the whole test. It would get a higher weight in the scoring.

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As a parent with 2 kids who currently take the FCAT and an ex-wife who is a teacher at their school, I can assure you that those scores are nothing more than a Pass/Fail to the kids, and are of much greater importance to the teachers and their school.

Higher than average FCAT scores do not mean a student will score higher than average on their SAT's, which should be the case each and every time if it's to be believed that these tests do what they say they do.

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Pandora, you might average the students' scores to gauge (hopefully) the effectiveness of the teacher. This does not mean you have lost the individual students' scores. Each student still has a % of correct answers.

Some teachers are not very good at administering tests, nor at interpreting the results. It's almost independent of how good they are at teaching. Standardized tests may be better than what the average teacher gives.

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