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TOPIC: Obama's Drones
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A report Monday night on the nature of the administration's drone program has the potential to dramatically revamp the debate over President Barack Obama's foreign policy and the confirmation process for his incoming cabinet.

The report, by Michael Isikoff of NBC News, reveals that the Obama administration believes that high-level administration officials -- not just the president -- may order the killing of “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or an associated force even without evidence they are actively plotting against the U.S.

“A lawful killing in self-defense is not an assassination,” states the Justice Department white paper quoted by Isikoff.

The 16-page memo, given to Congress in June, is not the final Office of Legal Counsel memo that news organizations have sued to obtain. But it offers plenty of insight into the government’s justification for killing American citizens in overseas drone strikes.

The paper states that the U.S. would be able to kill a U.S. citizen overseas when "an informed, high-level official of the U.S. government" determines the target is an imminent threat, when capture would be infeasible and when the operation is "conducted consistent with applicable law of war principles."

The white paper suggests that such decisions would not be subject to judicial review and outlines a broad definition of what constitutes “imminent” threat.

Constitutional experts said the memo's definition doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. Administration critics immediately said the white paper is fresh evidence the president has abandoned his 2008 campaign pledge to recognize and respect the limits of executive power. Jameel Jaffer of the American Civil Liberties Union called the document "pretty remarkable" and said some of its arguments "don't stand up to even cursory review." He said the paper “only underscores the irresponsible extravagance of the government's central claim.”

Hina Shamsi, director of the ACLU’s National Security Project, called the document “profoundly disturbing” and said it was “hard to believe that it was produced in a democracy built on a system of checks and balances.”

“It summarizes in cold legal terms a stunning overreach of executive authority –- the claimed power to declare Americans a threat and kill them far from a recognized battlefield and without any judicial involvement before or after the fact,” Shamsi said in a statement.

Watchdog groups and members of Congress have made repeated pleas for the administration to release internal documents outlining the rationale for the targeted killing program, especially when the target is an American citizen. NBC's report increases pressure on the administration to release additional documents.

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maranda? didn't she dance around with fruit on her head back in the 30's and 40's?

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Ernesto Miranda was the test case subject for the 5th amendment argument that the police had to inform a suspect of his rights....They won that ruling, but he was found guilty even without the confession

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Who in the fuck was Maranda anyway?

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Right wingers moaning and hand wringing about the treatment of people of foreign soil...Bwhahahahaha!!!! A classic case of Obama skin pigment reelection derangement syndrome

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It's difficult to take anything you say seriously after you posted that crap earlier. If you are bothered by the hypocrisy of the right, than you should be just as bothered by the hypocrisy on the left. The drone killings have been going on for a while now under Obama. Yet only recently is the liberal media making an issue out of it.

I do get a kick out of the press briefings where the administration is claiming that GWB did it too as an excuse for why Obama is doing it.

I'm a fiscal conservative with many liberal social values. I was quite alright with these killings under Bush as I am under Obama. I am however not comfortable with the hypocrisy on both sides.

Try honesty for a change.

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Sedu, for the second time I'll note that I'm not talking about the reaction of the Left - I'm talking about the reaction of the Right. Whereas traditional 'left' websites and media have been highly critical of Obama in regard to the drone strikes, traditional 'right' websites and media were -never- critical of Bush, but are now lambasting Obama for tactics they once highly approved. What has changed to change their editorial opinion? Only the skin color and political affiliation of the commander and chief - take your pick as to what angers the Far-Right more.

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I finally got around to checking out this thread. I thought everyone was critiquing Obama's speeches.

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I agree, especially as outspoken as he is in wanting to overthrow our society.

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Looking Bobby is guilty of the same speech as the dead cleric. And America has become a battlefield, so he should not whine if for some reason Obama puts him on the list.

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It is becoming even more apparent Bobby has no clue to much more than looking at piles of rotting metal, Thus he is only capable for his current trade.

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TOPIC: Obama's Drones