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Well, we often hear in these forums and elsewhere about the inevitability of criminals acquiring guns. If they want them, they will get them.

Yet you can't just wish for them or snap your fingers and get one. You have to get it from somewhere. How many of the guns used by criminals are gotten from legal gun owners, by sale or by theft?

It appears to the casual observer that the gun manufacturers are selling mostly to white people, who are often selling (or losing) some of their guns to criminals, who then shoot mostly black people.

Background checks and mental health records aren't going to fix any of this one bit. Strict purchasing regulations and even stricter non-transfer laws would seem to be in order.

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I picked Finland because it was singled out in the original post and the only one which had a number posted.

I'm not denying that US whites have a higher homicide rate than comparable countries. I'm saying it's not nearly as different as one would expect, given our vastly higher access to guns.

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That's a fair question. However, it seems you cherry-picked Finland as a country that's mostly white and almost as murder-prone as the US.

Murders per 100,000 US 'White' 3.0 Finland 2.2 Czech Republic 1.7 Slovakia 1.5 Hungary 1.3 U.K. 1.2 Ireland 1.2 Poland 1.1 Sweden 1.0 Denmark 0.9 Norway 0.6 Iceland 0.3

Only 2 'white' countries in Northern and Eastern Europe have as much as 1/2 the US White murder rate. Obviously, clamping down on easy firearm accessibility would not end murder in the US. If it could be cut by half, that would be an amazing accomplishment of civilization.

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All rates per 100,000 (2009 numbers)

Homicide (victim) for white people in the US is 3.0. Homicide (offender) for white people in the US is 2.4. Homicide (victim) for black people in the US is 17.3. Homicide (offender) for black people in the US is 15.6.

The overall homicide rate is not nearly as different if one controls for demographics. The homicide rate for white people is only slightly higher in the rootin' tootin' US for white people than it is for the white people in overwhelmingly white peacenik-lovin' Finland.

Why doesn't the US have a far higher murder rate among white people, given the widespread availability of guns? The murder rate among white people in the US is only slightly higher than that of white people in other developed countries. You'd think with all these guns, it would be much higher.

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You guys sound like terrorist.

Domestic Terrorist:

Like many domestic terrorism groups, militia extremists are anti-government. What sets them apart is that they’re often organized into paramilitary groups that follow a military-style rank hierarchy. They tend to stockpile illegal weapons and ammunition, trying illegally to get their hands on fully automatic firearms or attempting to convert weapons to fully automatic. They also try to buy or manufacture improvised explosive devices and typically engage in wilderness, survival, or other paramilitary training.

Many militia extremists view themselves as protecting the U.S. Constitution, other U.S. laws, or their own individual liberties. They believe that the Constitution grants citizens the power to take back the federal government by force or violence if they feel it’s necessary. They oppose gun control efforts and fear the widespread disarming of Americans by the federal government.

Militia extremists often subscribe to various conspiracy theories regarding government.

Source FBI dot GOV

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"I'm close, very close"

The press has been pumping out ammo for the last couple weeks.

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Sweet we are getting it done. Obama is talking EO now because he cannot get the support of Congress. That is being done with massive emails, calls, and letters. Nationally we were able to shut down a attempt by the Illinois legislature to ban almost all guns. We literally made them run out of paper by overflowing their fax machines.

We have had win after win in the courts, which has angered Obama much, so he is trying to run and dance in the blood of children to get his way. When it will make no difference in tragedies. There are common sense ways to prevent or minimize these tragedies and he does not want to hear them.

The shoe is on governments foot if there is to be more measures to block the way of violating rights. Nobody wants any type of war, but we all as citizens responsible for guarding and protecting the constitution and the people of this country.

Even Rachel Madcow howled at Obama's killing of American citizens without due process. And the killing of innocents in Pakistan. Should Obama do this here as the gleefully Bobby dreams of she and other liberals/progressives will turn on him. Especially when he kills their family, and friends.

Sanford NC
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I'm close, very close

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Im with fj If they the goverment start any kind of shit,,The Military will not back them,You might have a few, But the ones who will not way out number the ones who do. Sooner or later OBAMASS Will cross 1 line to many!!!

Mickey.

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red states and kill their uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters and parents. Really??? That thought is just plain dumb. It will never happen.

Really? 1861 ring a bell? I am sure there were many who thought this.

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