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User Details are only visible to members.	"Poor people have to shoot someone to survive? " Guess I missed who said this.
Flat Rock NC			Username hidden (2806 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Poor people have to shoot someone to survive? Guess I missed that note when I was living on Ramen noodles.
Brooklyn Park MN			Username hidden (2582 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Wild and reckless is to compare the apple which is the US to the orange which is the UK. Wild and reckless is to suggest that the major factor in the difference in homicide rate between these countries is the availability of guns while ignoring the dramatically different demographics. It's just plain stupid to ignore the hard statistical facts that demographics are by far the biggest determinate. But, it's not wild and reckless to suggest that guns are bought by white people, sold/given to/lost by theft to black people, and this is OK with white people, since it's mostly black people killing other black people (so say you). I'm finished having this battle of wits with an unarmed foe.
Chesapeake VA			Username hidden (11740 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Gun manufacturers sell to FFL dealers, they do not sell direct to the public. Green is the magic color, not white or black.
Sanford NC			Username hidden (18796 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	I'm thinking the demographic distinction should not be along racial lines, but along the lines of employment, income, and the like. Poverty drives people to desperation. It doesn't matter if they're black or white. Rich people don't usually feel they have to shoot someone to survive.
Flat Rock NC			Username hidden (2806 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Ah, so you tell me I'm not addressing the problem; and when I do, it's "wild conjecture". Your statistics were wild and reckless, but they shouldn't be challenged. Interesting priorities.
Flat Rock NC			Username hidden (2806 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	I'll repeat what I said earlier: "It appears to the casual observer that the gun manufacturers are selling mostly to white people, who are often selling (or losing) some of their guns to criminals, who then shoot mostly black people." It's mostly black/poor Americans mostly shooting black/poor Americans. But how do they so easily come by the guns they use? Is it maybe, possibly because guns are easy to come by, for "law abiding citizens"? And then it's really easy to move these guns to those who want them, law abiding or not? Since something like half of white Americans are racist, maybe they actually like the notion that their guns are going to black people who will likely kill other black people. Yes, it's an ugly and uncomfortable thought. It's small consolation to me that I'm neither a gun pusher nor a racist.
Flat Rock NC			Username hidden (2806 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	"It appears to the casual observer that the gun manufacturers are selling mostly to white people, who are often selling (or losing) some of their guns to criminals, who then shoot mostly black people. Since something like half of white Americans are racist, maybe they actually like the notion that their guns are going to black people who will likely kill other black people." I bring statistics. You bring wild, ridiculous conjecture.
Chesapeake VA			Username hidden (11740 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	.." if you are going to use statistics to drive policy, you're going to come up with some very VERY uncomfortable policies. " OK, well, misusing statistics never does any good, for any purpose, at any time. It just makes people mistrust statistics, or the people presenting them. Statistics are just the quantification of facts, and they're a useful tool. Any idiot can misuse any tool. That says nothing about the value of the proper use of the tool. Feel free at any time to get on the good side of numbers usage. Confusion is the derelict use of communication.
Flat Rock NC			Username hidden (2806 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Of course not. I'd trust a black person to watch my kids, though. I judge each person according to their merits. My point was if you are going to use statistics to drive policy, you're going to come up with some very VERY uncomfortable policies. The report in question completely focused on guns. It completely ignored (according to the snippet presented here) what is by FAR the biggest difference between the US and other wealthy nations. And so are you. And so does everyone, because it's not a fun thing to talk about.
Chesapeake VA			Username hidden (11740 post)

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