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"Well there it is. Robert wants to be an "enforcer for a dictator". Stalin called them useful fools. Robert is exactly the type of person dictators look for to manipulate and get their agenda started. Hitler looked for losers and put them in brown shirts. Wow, think about it. Robert actually thinks of these people as his heroes. Sick, sick, sick. He actually wants to participate in mass executions of people."

He has posted for some time about killing people. But the problem is~~he is lazy, and a wimp. The first time he gets his red star ass kicked he will go crying to the dictator and then find himself jailed for being useless.

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Vacp:

"If people go out and have four kids but can only afford to take care of three why should the employer pay them a higher wage?It is called personal responsibility."

The by giving a target wage of 2-4, I leave the ideal family size open to debate. Society does have a right to say you ought only have 1,2,3 or X kids. This is why more and more welfare has a max kid cut off. (2 kids from what I have heard)

The reason why it is 2 kids is that two children replaces the two parents which it took to create a family, it reduces the burden on society if you have fewer kids and better enables you to make a living. (thus it is the ideal number of children to have, it is stable.)

I am also not saying that the employer ought to pay a parent more for having 4 kids over the parent who has 2 kids... But as stated above, I left the range of children open for debate.

This is how one debates, by maintaining an margin by which to discuss the ideal solution to the problem. Simply using blanket statements like personal responsibility is foolish as we all know the less educated have no desire to be responsible and thus rules governing them ought to be set.

Such standards could include a number of children you may have before welfare will say no more money beyond X number of kids. Mandates to provide a standard of living which allowed the child to be able to remain social with their peers and grow as a person.

Failure to adhere to the mandates could result in the loss of your children as they are not being provided for and you the parent being cut off from all social services as you have damaged society.

It is called placing expectations. You have your expectations of only concerning oneself with the self, more centrist and liberal minded people are more concerned with the whole community as the self relies upon the whole community for their needs.

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Well there it is. Robert wants to be an "enforcer for a dictator". Stalin called them useful fools. Robert is exactly the type of person dictators look for to manipulate and get their agenda started. Hitler looked for losers and put them in brown shirts. Wow, think about it. Robert actually thinks of these people as his heroes. Sick, sick, sick. He actually wants to participate in mass executions of people.

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Yea Robert just like Pol Pot did, your ignorance/stupidity of history is overwhelming. Keep beating that communism drum, up until they take it away from you and put you in the fields or jail. In communism being useless is a crime, that would make you a enemy of the state.

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Fjep:

As always, your ignorance is amusing. Gaining power is the easy part. All you need is to let the other side fail to provide for the people, it is maintaining that power that proves or disproves the success of a power grab and to do that you must never stop the propaganda machine.

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Robert I am not sure about Good but when I worked the money came to me not my parents. If I wanted something I was taught to save my money so I could get it. Now if I was a dollar or to short my parents at times would make up the difference as long as I had not been wasting my money on stuff(Soda,Candy). It taught us that we had to work for what we wanted. And as far as trying to survive with a family of 2-4 kids. It is up to the parents to know how many children they can afford to take care of. It is their responsibility to know what they can afford. If people go out and have four kids but can only afford to take care of three why should the employer pay them a higher wage?It is called personal responsibility.

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Robert YOU an enforcer?!? LMFAO So far you have shown you have absolutely no worth except for a mouthpiece, once in power they won't need mouthpieces and you will be shipped off to work in a factory or put in the fields. Even in communism the achievers are the ones to succeed.

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fjep:

"Mark~Stalin, Pol Pot, and other communists put people like Robert in the fields to farm by hand. Bobby may be in for a big surprise should the wind ever blow his direction."

Actually these dictators would do one of two things with people like me.

A) We become the enforcers. B) We are among the dead who were killed because we opposed the dictator and believed in a nation which took care of its lesser and paid a fair wage, vrs the dictator.

Little hint for the historically defunct.

Most dictators rise up from libertarian societies. Why? Because they were pushed to be so hardened by excessive work so that the few may prosper, that they had no issue with killing the many who opposed them.

So between a socialist or communist society and a libertarian society as you would like... The socialist and communist have less of a worry of dictators rising to power.

The only reason that as of yet, socialist and communist nations have failed, is that they aren't true socialist or communist nations. In most cases it took a dictator to make them so and dictators rarely give up power willingly.

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Mark:

"Robert will never learn. He is a true liberal socialist. To Robert there is no such thing as earning anything. It will be provided to him by government, from the labors of people who actually work."

The ignorance meter just pegged again, or was that the lie meter? It is becoming very difficult to tell the difference in these forums anymore, more so with the conservatives here.

I do believe in working for what you want... But I do not believe in exploitation and that is what minimum wage is. Anyone supporting the right of a businessman to pay minimum wage or sub-minimum wage supports exploitation. They also support the taxation of the wealthy for social welfare as minimum wage and other poverty level jobs are what caused the creation of the social welfare system in the first place.

So when the businessmen step up and do their fair share of work by paying real wages, befitting a first world nation, then you can start saying I demand more than what is fair.

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Good:

"I worked farm fiields in my younger days. Also milked cows. We caught insects/frogs/mice to feed the snakes we caught- all by hand. Lived to tell about it. I don't remember what I was paid. I didn't care- it was fun. Got to drive trucks on the road before I was old enough to have a license."

Great, it was fun for you... As a child, did you keep your earnings or did you have to give them to your parents?

I ask this because if you as a child must work so that the family may eat, then you as a child are being exploited by this nation. The only reason a child ought work, is so that the child can learn the value of a dollar for the things that they want, not what their parents want or their obligations to provide for their children.

If the parents are paid a wage below the ability to provide for a reasonable sized family (2-4 kids and 4 kids is pushing it in most cases) Then I blame the employer of the parents for exploitation.

"Graduated HS in the top 5% of a class of 400+, went on to college, now own/run a business"

Great for you. Sounds like you went to a small school. How many students per class? Most schools that I have ever heard of average about 35-40 students, but they have graduating classes of 1,000+

I am not trying to degrade what you scored, only attempting to ascertain the full statistical data surrounding the quality of education you were given, based upon population of students vs teachers.

"Some of us learned to not drive in the beans, close the gate, don't mess with the bull, don't stand behind the horse and went on to make a pretty good living."

I could not live in a place where the nearest neighbor was more than a few meters away.

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