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Vacp:

"Just shows you have no idea what my job is."

If I did know what your job entailed, would your job be worth what you are being paid?

"And as far as loans, I was approved for almost a 75k more than I used to buy my house. I knew if times got hard in the future I could still pay my bills and live a very good life. It is called being responsible."

75k? Fixed rate or variable? Because the only good loan is a fixed rate loan. I won't touch a variable interest rate loan.

After I pissed the bank off by asking questions about their variable interest rate loans, I was still told that I qualified for a 20k loan. They heard me laughing on the other end of the phone as I was unemployed and not stupid enough to take out a loan which had no cap to what I could potentially have to pay back.

This served me well as the following year, the housing market crashed.

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Humm I really don't get dirty at work. I use wiring diagrams, meters and other test equipment to diagnose a problem. I then repair the wiring problem or replace or repair the failed computer circuit or replace the whole unit. Just shows you have no idea what my job is. And as far as loans, I was approved for almost a 75k more than I used to buy my house. I knew if times got hard in the future I could still pay my bills and live a very good life. It is called being responsible.

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Vacp:

Great, you are a master of something... An electronic plumber sending a snake down the tube of the offending circuit.

Can you pull teeth? No. Would you expect your dentist to do your job? I would hope not. (oil smells kinda become offensive after a while and when your dentist would return to his/her office, I wouldn't imagine other patients would enjoy the smell on his/her hands.)

Bottom line is expectations. The people who were buying homes too costly for what their profession could write checks for expected the banks to be professional and do their jobs and do them as well as they did their own jobs.

If I as a computer graphic artist were to hand in a 3d model of a object and the points which made up the polygons were to not be connected... Or form some reason the mesh pulled apart. I would rightfully be written up or terminated.

This expectation of perfection was what the professionals expected the banks to do. To take the truthful information that person's A, B and C gave to the banks and tell these people what type of loans they could get.

Personally I hate loans, I hate owing people money. (I much rather have people owing me money) This is why I didn't take loans out for school, I paid for it with my own money which I earned. This is why I continue to save up money for college or a down payment for college and haven't gone anywhere for the last three years sense I failed in my last career.

So to relearn a new one which doesn't include back breaking labor... Because back breaking labor only gets you a broken back and no healthcare.

It is called working smarter, not harder and employers are masters of breaking their employees and then terminating them because to obtain the work load the employer demands, the employee must not follow all safety requirements. That is what factory work, farm work and other manual labor work is like.

If you don't believe me, then there isn't anything I can say to change your mind, as I am telling you that I have a wide range of extended family which is broken, my father worked factories for almost the better part of 8 years before the last of the good factories closed and went to China or mexico.

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Robert, I do not repair and install radios in cars. My job it to trace electronic problems in the whole vehicle. For example driveability issues, electronic transmissions,anti-lock brake systems and all the internal body systems. All the systems run over very few wires and use what is called a bus system. It uses multiplexed voltages to tell over the net what function it it to perform such as raising or lowering your window. So I am a master of that and have the little paper sheet you praise so much.I am also a certified mechinist I am a certified Glock,Colt,Beretta armorer.So as you can see what I do is more that plugging a into a.

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Vacp:

"Once again common since should step in and say I cannot afford that. I know what I can afford and live with in those limits. I could have a bigger house or more motorcycles to ride. But I know what I can afford and live like that. I know that I can live off less income and still be able to live a good life. That is what you call being responsible."

Simply put, the professional expects the other professional to do their jobs. So if your job is to sign out loans and collect interest on the loan, then you will only give me the loan which I can pay back.

That is the mentality of the professional. My job is X, your job is Y. I don't tell you how to do your job and you don't tell me how to do mine. Ensuring that the bank didn't give a bad loan (so long as i was truthful in the negotiations) is the job of the bank.

This might be a concept which you do not fully understand as you are a jack of all trades and master in next to none. Repairing and installing radios and other components aren't being a master... It is inserting plug a, b, and c into the correct slot.

"And you would be of no use to a dictator. You have a graphic design skills but you work a minimum wage job. You have a military background yet you work a minimum wage job.Your skills are a dime a dozen, that is why you live in your parents basement."

Oh really? If I were to be so forced to exist on my own, I would be made foolish enough to support a would be dictator. This is what allowed Hitler and the Nazi's, lenin and the communist to rise to power... The rich, the wealthy forcing the peon's to starve.

Those you would make starve would be ripe for recruitment, given skills and kept as the Nazi's and communist kept 9/10 of their party members. Stalin was the exception which the right like to point to, but Stalin was a fool who allowed his fear that someone would kill him get the better of him... His purging of the masses didn't help any either, but because of how he centralized everything (which was a mistake of the time) is one of the reasons that the food wasn't distributed correctly.

"My son is 18 years old and has graphic design and computer technology under his belt already(Duel Enrollment at a college).He is also pursuing becoming an EMT then to a Paramedic. Your field is full to the max and even my 18yo knows that."

Sadly I didn't. I had no contacts which didn't lie or worst weren't lying to themselves. I relied upon professionals to be professional and know their trade. They failed to do their jobs and ensure that they provided the correct information to me when requested, failed to ensure that their information was up to date.

"And as far as you being an enforcer. Thanks for giving me a good laugh today."

Of a dictatorship? No. I am not so starved as to back a dictator and your GOP will not regain control to such an extent that they will starve the masses of this nation.

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Robert, Once again common since should step in and say I cannot afford that. I know what I can afford and live with in those limits. I could have a bigger house or more motorcycles to ride. But I know what I can afford and live like that. I know that I can live off less income and still be able to live a good life. That is what you call being responsible. And you would be of no use to a dictator. You have a graphic design skills but you work a minimum wage job. You have a military background yet you work a minimum wage job.Your skills are a dime a dozen, that is why you live in your parents basement. My son is 18 years old and has graphic design and computer technology under his belt already(Duel Enrollment at a college).He is also pursuing becoming an EMT then to a Paramedic. Your field is full to the max and even my 18yo knows that. And as far as you being an enforcer. Thanks for giving me a good laugh today.

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Vacp:

" It is taught to you by your parents as you grow up(working for what you want).You make it sound as though you think that the government should step in and tell you how many kids you should have."

Where have I said that the government should tell you how many kids you may have?

I only stated that the government ought set standards of how many kids that the government would help you with and to impose minimum standards by which you may fall to. If you willfully choose to have 8 kids, that is your choice... the government ought only help you with 2-4 of them and if you cannot provide the socially accepted minimum standards.

Again, such standards are debatable, but we must decide as a society what they are so to enable people to live at them without such standards being let to interpolation of a government official such as child services.

A easy start ought to be debating what the minimum health and safety include a clean, safe home. Free of pest which bring diseases and or your home being a fire hazard.

"Sounds like you and Bloomberg have a lot in common.If you want the style of government that you are always preaching move to China,Vietnam,Cuba. I am sure they would open their arms for you."

I do not strive to be the anti of anyone, rather to find middle ground between all sides.

As for the nations you just mentioned, most of their standards would fall well below the minimums that I consider to be acceptable. Some of these nations fall so low because of our own doing, others because of their own and others still are rising out of the muck very nicely given their past.

At the end of the day, I am an American and you will have to put up with my vote. You can either be my enemy and we cancel each others votes out or you can try and approach middle ground where we can actually discuss what a civilized society ought look like.

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Vacp:

"What about all the highly educated people who went out and bought homes they could not afford. How about that? Being educated has noting to do with having common sense or being personally responsible."

Never said an education meant that a person is more responsible, only that they are more likely to have the means to clean up after themselves.

Personally I believe that the college debts ought to be forgiven before those who buy homes. More so when the homes they buy are clearly out of their reach based upon their income. (providing they didn't lose their jobs... Reason dictates the need for exceptions in special cases.)

As for my opinion as to why the better educated screwed as they did? Because they are more professional and educated in their fields... They went to a bank expecting the same level of professionalism as what they themselves must live by.

This means that it was the banks job to tell them that they couldn't afford the house, to look at the means of the individual and say, no, you can't afford this based upon factors.

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Mark/Fjep:

Copy and past the exact post here that says anything about me wanting to kill anyone?

I simply stated that I wouldn't be the type of person put in the fields, rather my computer graphic skills and other creative skills would be used to create the propaganda or my military background used in the place as an enforcer.

I would also like you to copy past where I said that I would accept such a job and or not fight on the opposing side of the would be dictator?

What I have said many times is that the failed socialist and communist nations failed because they were started by dictators and not the will of the people.

This statement negates any illusion that I would join said dictators as my other statements about doing what is best for the people would require a socialist or communist government to be of the will of the people and not a dictator.

If you are going to accuse me of being a socialist or communist, can you please get the means by which the systems that you claim I would support right?

Finally as for killing people. I support killing traitors who would rise up their weapons, plant bombs or otherwise try to destroy through the use of violence the elected government that I support.

I call such people traitors as they seek to overthrow the government which is elected by the people and for the people and is empowered by the peoples will. Thankfully, I have more to fear from stubbing my toe than all of you right wingers combined.

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Robert, so the low educated people are to stupid to know there limits. What about all the highly educated people who went out and bought homes they could not afford. How about that? Being educated has noting to do with having common sense or being personally responsible. It is taught to you by your parents as you grow up(working for what you want).You make it sound as though you think that the government should step in and tell you how many kids you should have.Sounds like you and Bloomberg have a lot in common.If you want the style of government that you are always preaching move to China,Vietnam,Cuba. I am sure they would open their arms for you.

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