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TOPIC: Military Setback swept under the rug
Created by: Seduction4Two
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When George W. Bush was president, the media highlighted every U.S. military setback... Now, not so much.

The U.S. Suffered Its Worst Airpower Loss Since Vietnam Last Week and No One Really Noticed

The Taliban attack on an air base in southern Afghanistan on Friday drew coverage for the way the insurgents cloaked themselves in U.S. army uniforms to gain a tactical advantage, but few have taken note of the historical proportions of the damage inflicted. John Gresham, at the Defense Media Network, has published a detailed account of the attack on Camp Bastion, in which two Marines were killed, six U.S. Marine Corps jet fighters were destroyed, and two more "significantly" damaged. Those facts were all carried in most reports, but if that just sounds like a typical damage report from a decade-long war, you're wrong. Gresham explains the devastating damage done to VMA-211, the name of the Marine Corps attack squadron that was most affected last week, noting that it is "arguably the worst day in [U.S. Marine Corps] aviation history since the Tet Offensive of 1968." Or you could go back even further. "The last time VMA-211 was combat ineffective was in December 1941, when the squadron was wiped out during the 13-day defense of Wake Island against the Japanese."

He spells out some more of the details of the attack:

"Eight irreplaceable aircraft (the AV-8B has been out of production since 1999) have been destroyed or put out of action – approximately 7 percent of the total flying USMC Harrier fleet. Worse yet, the aircraft involved were the AV-B+ variant equipped with the APG-65 radar and AAQ-28 Litening II targeting pods – the most capable in the force. Given the current funding situation, it’s likely that the two damaged AV-8Bs will become spare parts “hangar queens” and never fly again. A Harrier squadron commander is dead, along with another Marine. Another nine personnel have been wounded, and the nearby Marines at Camp Freedom are now without effective fixed-wing air support. The USMC’s response to this disaster will be a telling report card on its leadership and organizational agility."

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Here is a bit of entertaining military waste.

The Army national guard and at the least the Air force are using a web based sere test... it plays like a rpg game where by you play a captured soldier and must answer questions of your capture.

Web based sere test which is meaningless without the actual physical aspect of it, without that little bit of fear and pain being struck into you... you aren't going to know what you can resist.

Another thing that I worry about is the fact that while I was in the military... religion was becoming almost required by your peers. Now we have a test which ask questions which could be used as a loyalty test based upon how fast you answer and what you answer.

Complex test hidden within a simplistic test. I fear the implications of this test. On its face, this test might seem innocent to you, but it is also useless. Who expects you to suffer severed fingers in order for you to sign false statements?

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The Bush/Cheney Crime Cabinet had no plan to end military operations in either Afghanistan or Iraq. They deliberately put those decisions off into the non-specific future, knowing the blame for their deception could be transferred to the next administration.

Bush/Cheney should be at Guantanamo Bay Detention Center, serving time for treason.

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There's really no direct connection between losses in military engagement and the commander in chief, is there? Does anyone suppose Obama is responsible for whether a given air strike goes well or ends in disaster?

Unless there's some pattern of negligence -- or conversely, some persistent success -- it's the men and women in the combat zone who have the most control over the fate of these missions.

If the missions are generally successful, then it's pointless to tally up "losses" and ignore the gains; unless you've got some really backward audience you're preaching to.

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As for why bush couldn't catch a break, but Obama does. Bush put boots on the ground in Iraq and there weren't any weapons of mass destruction. Only a waste of lives, money and time.

Obama ended that war, Obama killed bin Ladin, Obama has a higher. Umber of dead al quada leaders on his trophy wall than bush did in 8 years.

Victory has its advantages.

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Sedu:

Both tragic and understandably upsetting that this is... It isn't news.

We have had terrorist gain access to bases sense we entered iraq and Afghanistan. It is why we aren't allowed to throw uniforms out, they must be burnt while in the middle east. (not that this helps when fake uniforms look real after the real uniforms are used.)

More over, in Iraq the insurgents had authentic looking ID cards, with their photos in them. The only way to check if they were real or not, is to scan the card at the gate. At which time the captured humvee blows up because the VIED bomber knows that they are caught.

Hell, we have had humvees stolen right off the bases in Iraq.

So this was only a matter of time and isn't much news.

We can either accept the losses and continue on with the mission. (what ever that might be) or we can pack up and go home... Short of genocide, we will not be able to defeats these insurgents on any time table short of never ending.

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When George W. Bush was president, the media highlighted every U.S. military setback... Now, not so much.

The U.S. Suffered Its Worst Airpower Loss Since Vietnam Last Week and No One Really Noticed

The Taliban attack on an air base in southern Afghanistan on Friday drew coverage for the way the insurgents cloaked themselves in U.S. army uniforms to gain a tactical advantage, but few have taken note of the historical proportions of the damage inflicted. John Gresham, at the Defense Media Network, has published a detailed account of the attack on Camp Bastion, in which two Marines were killed, six U.S. Marine Corps jet fighters were destroyed, and two more "significantly" damaged. Those facts were all carried in most reports, but if that just sounds like a typical damage report from a decade-long war, you're wrong. Gresham explains the devastating damage done to VMA-211, the name of the Marine Corps attack squadron that was most affected last week, noting that it is "arguably the worst day in [U.S. Marine Corps] aviation history since the Tet Offensive of 1968." Or you could go back even further. "The last time VMA-211 was combat ineffective was in December 1941, when the squadron was wiped out during the 13-day defense of Wake Island against the Japanese."

He spells out some more of the details of the attack:

"Eight irreplaceable aircraft (the AV-8B has been out of production since 1999) have been destroyed or put out of action – approximately 7 percent of the total flying USMC Harrier fleet. Worse yet, the aircraft involved were the AV-B+ variant equipped with the APG-65 radar and AAQ-28 Litening II targeting pods – the most capable in the force. Given the current funding situation, it’s likely that the two damaged AV-8Bs will become spare parts “hangar queens” and never fly again. A Harrier squadron commander is dead, along with another Marine. Another nine personnel have been wounded, and the nearby Marines at Camp Freedom are now without effective fixed-wing air support. The USMC’s response to this disaster will be a telling report card on its leadership and organizational agility."

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