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Cool....had a "flashback" during those scenes in the movie. LOL By the way, I recommend the movie for people who like stories of old wars but I would suggest a normal movie. We saw it in IMAX.....the screen was just too damn big to take it all in and we were in the very back of the theater.

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yeah, Pete, actually many riot control as well as combat tactics are updated versions of the most successful armies throughout history - good observation.

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Yeah I understand Sen and I'm not disputing what you have said especially considering your military background specialty.

However, I was not referring to the average NCO or junior grade officers. We were told this by a Training Instructor (T.I. in the Air Force which could have been as low in rank as E-3 ... D.I. in other branches) in a formal basic training class, school room setting where they were suppose to be teaching us the basics of the UCMJ. The class instructor may well have been an officer (butter bars and up). One would think in that setting the information would be accruate.

I do have a question for you as an ex military cop (off topic but fuck it...I want to ask). In basic we used to watch the security police tech school attendees practice thier riot control. Where they would stand in a line side by side with shields I think, and stomp one foot as the line moved forward (to control and move a croud I suspect). The question with preface....I just saw that movie 300 about the Spartans who were depicted in the movie using basically the same movement. Was the Security Police procedure as I described above derived from the ancient Spartan tactic depicted in this movie? Inquiring minds want to know.

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StPete,

I was told much the same things as you in Basic training. However, as first a base Law Enforcement Specialist and then a OSI Special Agent I came to realize most NCO's do not really know and understand the MCM and/or the UCMJ. First Sergeants are one exception that does have training concerning the UCMJ and military law.

My first assignment as a LE Patrol Dog Handler was at Utapao AB, Thailand. At that time Dog Handlers were primarily assigned to night shifts. Like Rabbit mentioned, during the day a bunch of us went down to beach, fell asleep and came back sunburned. Some of junior NCO's who were our supervisors also told us, just like Rabbit's brother, that we were in trouble and they were referring us for disciplinary action. Letters of Reprimand were prepared and presented to us by the Squadron's Section Commander (a junior officer, who handles much of the Commanders Administration). I contacted the Area Defense counsel, who laughed at the "charges" and stated that no such thing existed i.e., "Destruction of military property" being applied to a human being.

The ADA, contacted my Commander directly (not the section commander) and had the whole thing thrown out. The Security Police Commander reamed the asses of the supervisors on up and then held a commanders call where he spoke for the need of all NCO's and Officer, especially since they were also Police persons, to know and understand military and federal law, not what they had learned through passing from one supervisory generation to another, but the REAL military and federal laws that applied.

He was a great commander and his insight made me become a better cop and eventually a complete Special Agent. Scare tactics and administrative punishment are very often misused in the military. No one ever wants to be Courts-Martial so many people sign off on a letter of reprimand or Article 15 without ever getting Legal Advice from the base Defense counsel. I love the military and it has gotten smarter over the years, but many junior enlisted do not understand their rights or that many charges brought administratively against them hold no judicial water.

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That may very well be. I am not a scholar of the UCMJ and don't remember the different articles (except an Article 15 LOL - nope never got one but was drummed into our heads). I was only speaking of what we were told in basic training classes (those History, Customs & Courtesy classes) and we were specifically told that we could be punished under the UCMJ as "destruction of military property. The training instructor gave the analogy of carving something into the wood top of the student chair/desktop.

I thought the "catch all" was Article 22 hence the term Catch 22. LOL We were told it would take care of "spitting on the sidewalk".

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Actually tattoos are not specifically forbidden or against any Article of the UCMJ, they are addressed in each services regulations, manual or instruction concerning dress and appearance. Violations of those regulations fall under Article 92 of the UCMJ, "Failure to Obey Order or Regulation". In most cases, Officer would also be charged with Article 133 "Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and a Gentleman" and all military personnel would (could) also be charged under Article 134, "General Article", which is covers "all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.....". Article 134 is a catch all - lol.

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During my tenure in the Air Force, thier rules were no tatoos visible when wearing a long sleeve shirt I believe, can't really remember that far back...must be that Mad Cow disease. LOL The punishment was doled out under an Article of the UCMJ that covered "defacing military property" as that is what the individual was considered.....property of the Air Force.

Remember the old movie with Charley Sheen when he got an eight ball tatooed on the back of his hand?

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"Sailors without beards? You gotta be shitting me."

Most submarine captains allow the crew to grow beards underway on deployment.

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Marines already tattooed are exempt from the ban but cannot add to their designs; anyone caught with fresh ink in the wrong places could be barred from re-enlistment or face disciplinary action. Getting a prohibited tattoo could constitute a violation of a lawful order, punishable by up to two years in prison and a dishonorable discharge, Marine spokesman 1st Lt. Brian Donnolly said.

jeez, i saw let em ink away!!

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Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James T. Conway announced the policy change last week.

"Some Marines have taken the liberty of tattooing themselves to a point that is contrary to our professional demeanor and the high standards America has come to expect from us," he said. "I believe tattoos of an excessive nature do not represent our traditional values."

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