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Nken:

"It's been said before but it's worth repeating. Only in America can a bunch of idiots fight for the rights of the rich instead of the workers..."

Sadly this fight has been going on sense before the first civil war and it is the exact mentality of those in charge of the third world and the leading cause for why the third world cannot develop into consumer nations so others many produce.

Then again, the civil war didn't end of slavery, it only changed the face of slavery... It took the coal miner rebellions to start the ending of slavery in the US. Unions simply are the soft means the public hold to get their their fair share.

If there isn't any pie to be shared, than the investors and the managment should be held legally accountable for theft. After all, they continued business as normal, even after cutting the share of the pie the workers received.

Personally I believe that investors should be able to lose more than the worth of their shares. I say that managment/investors should have to pay the unemployment of the workers they put out of work.

Add some actual risk to investments... Maybe we could get real professional investors back into the market and stop the pollution of the markets by greedy investors who aren't truely invested.

Kinda like how war should be fought. In it for a penny, in it for your life.

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Robert, to righties it's always the unions fault. Upper management can bleed the company dry but it's those damn workers who won't take a pay cut. Why should they? The price of groceries, gas, utilities get cut? No.

It's been said before but it's worth repeating. Only in America can a bunch of idiots fight for the rights of the rich instead of the workers...

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So a baker in hostess was paid 48,000 in 2005 and took consessions to be paid 25,000 by 2012.

Can anyone actually blame these bakers for striking? (I am sure the righties will) the company leadership made bad choices, where was their concessions? I want to see their pay cuts, the cuts to the payouts for the investors as well

A one way consession isn't consession, it is dictating. This is blatant greed on the part of the investors and managment. Their failure to lead, to take the first devestating cuts and then to continue to lead with the cuts by cutting themselves every time they approached the workers is why this company became worthless.

ht tp://money.cnn.co m/2012/11/16/news/companies/hostess-workers/

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"We are not the ones pissing and moaning over being abused by the evil robber barons."

No, you're afraid of being abused by evil poor people.... much more pathetic.

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Your unions did wonders with Hostess. Guess 18,500 jobs is small enough to fail, aka destroyed by union demands.

Where was obama, why didn't he propose a Twinkie bail out?

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"Unions: Excellent in concept, terrible in execution."

You might want to check out what is going on with Walmart.

"Most major retail chains that compete for customers with low prices pay relatively low wages to hourly workers. But as the largest private employer in the world, with 1.4 million workers in the United States alone, Walmart bears outsized influence on American working opportunities: It has largely set the standards for similar companies. Low-level workers typically start near minimum wage, and have the potential to earn raises of 20 to 40 cents an hour through incremental promotions. Flawless performance merits a 60 cent raise per year under the policy, regardless of how much time an employee has worked for the company. As a result, a "solid performer" who starts at Walmart as a cart pusher making $8 an hour and receives one promotion, about the average rate, can expect to make $10.60 after working at the company for 6 years. The Walmart pay plan is organized around seven levels of job difficulty for hourly workers, called Position Pay Grades (PPGs), ranging from cart-pushers (Level 1) and cashiers (Level 3), to cake decorators (Level 4) and customer service managers (Level 6). Each subsequent pay grade offers 20 to 40 cents more than the previous level, according to the document. This means that the base rate of pay for a top hourly position at Walmart, like a check-out supervisor, is $1.70 more than that of the lowest paying job. Far more important is Walmart's insistence on keeping most hourly workers part-time, so as to avoid having to provide a variety of benefits, including health care, which are available to full-time employees.

This formula has benefited company shareholders: Walmart’s profits rose 9 percent in the third quarter of 2012, to $3.64 billion, the company reported Thursday. Earlier this fall, the company’s stock hit a record high. But the compensation structure for hourly workers helps explain why many rank-and-file workers carry a sense of grievance that they have been denied a share of the spoils. How could a multi-billiionaire company such as this only afford to hand out one 40-cent raise per year to employees while the ones in the top portion of the hierarchy are riding high starting with the six-figure store managers?" said Joe Lyon, a former sales associate at a Walmart in Sterling Heights, Mich. A group claiming to represent tens of thousands of Walmart workers nationwide is planning strikes and other labor actions at as many as 1,000 stores on Black Friday, the biggest shopping day of the year. The actions are intended to protest what the group says are meager wages."

Don't you just love "trickle Down" economics?

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Who said it was a book douche? Oh wait, this is just another pathetic spin.

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I've always believed that human beings controlled their own fate and that stage theories are suspect in their predictive qualities. But after about the 10th time that Perf encouraged everyone to read Lifecycle of a Democracy, I decided to find the book to see if there was any substance behind the blurb. No such book exists, apparently, although a number of nutwing blogs discuss it as if they've actually read it. 

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Robert: Us giving you our money will do neither of us any good. We will just see our standard of living go down and see our money pissed away. You will do nothing to improve yourself. All you will do is scream: I need more money! You are not being fair! I am your countryman.!

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Union-busting executives are the reason for the Economic disasters and expatriates leaving America banks for those in Europe and the Caribbean Island tax havens.

The union-busting executives and vulture capitalists who made their money destroying the integrity of America and its middle class are cowards and traitors.

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