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User Details are only visible to members.	Remember that commercial they played all the fuking time for the DVR on the DISH system? The battle between two warriors rages from room to room as the DISH client makes popcorn and goes back and sits down? This is Fun and perf in these fora.... At least this one is on-topic....lol
East Fishkill NY			Username hidden (2772 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	"I notice that you reckon we presently are between the selfishness and apathy stages." Fun, I think it's just a typo....he meant HE was between the selfishness and apathy stage.
East Fishkill NY			Username hidden (2772 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	P.s., even if we accept the premise of these stages that all democracies go through, I notice that you reckon we presently are between the selfishness and apathy stages. I'm pretty sure that you said last year we were closer to the end than that, well beyond the apathy stage. What should we conclude from that?
San Quentin CA			Username hidden (8604 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	I don't care whether it was published in a book, a journal, or as a standalone essay. I just wanted to read the thing to see if it has any substance. What democracies/republics does he discuss? What examples does he give of these stages? What historical evidence does he offer that might be predictive for us? Where's the beef? You're the one who repeatedly urges us to read this thing, as if you have done so. I can't find it. You have attributed a blurb of it to some 18th century historian named Tytler, but there's no indication that he wrote either the blurb or any larger work from which it was drawn (and the blurb itself is written in a style decidedly unlike anything from the late 18th century). Can you point us to anything of substance beyond the soundbite in the OP?
San Quentin CA			Username hidden (8604 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Nken: "It's been said before but it's worth repeating. Only in America can a bunch of idiots fight for the rights of the rich instead of the workers..." Sadly this fight has been going on sense before the first civil war and it is the exact mentality of those in charge of the third world and the leading cause for why the third world cannot develop into consumer nations so others many produce. Then again, the civil war didn't end of slavery, it only changed the face of slavery... It took the coal miner rebellions to start the ending of slavery in the US. Unions simply are the soft means the public hold to get their their fair share. If there isn't any pie to be shared, than the investors and the managment should be held legally accountable for theft. After all, they continued business as normal, even after cutting the share of the pie the workers received. Personally I believe that investors should be able to lose more than the worth of their shares. I say that managment/investors should have to pay the unemployment of the workers they put out of work. Add some actual risk to investments... Maybe we could get real professional investors back into the market and stop the pollution of the markets by greedy investors who aren't truely invested. Kinda like how war should be fought. In it for a penny, in it for your life.
Hazle Township PA			Username hidden (4840 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Robert, to righties it's always the unions fault. Upper management can bleed the company dry but it's those damn workers who won't take a pay cut. Why should they? The price of groceries, gas, utilities get cut? No. It's been said before but it's worth repeating. Only in America can a bunch of idiots fight for the rights of the rich instead of the workers...
New Kensington PA			Username hidden (2138 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	So a baker in hostess was paid 48,000 in 2005 and took consessions to be paid 25,000 by 2012. Can anyone actually blame these bakers for striking? (I am sure the righties will) the company leadership made bad choices, where was their concessions? I want to see their pay cuts, the cuts to the payouts for the investors as well A one way consession isn't consession, it is dictating. This is blatant greed on the part of the investors and managment. Their failure to lead, to take the first devestating cuts and then to continue to lead with the cuts by cutting themselves every time they approached the workers is why this company became worthless. ht tp://money.cnn.co m/2012/11/16/news/companies/hostess-workers/
Hazle Township PA			Username hidden (4840 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	"We are not the ones pissing and moaning over being abused by the evil robber barons." No, you're afraid of being abused by evil poor people.... much more pathetic.
East Fishkill NY			Username hidden (2772 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Your unions did wonders with Hostess. Guess 18,500 jobs is small enough to fail, aka destroyed by union demands. Where was obama, why didn't he propose a Twinkie bail out?
Peoria AZ			Username hidden (2291 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	"Unions: Excellent in concept, terrible in execution." You might want to check out what is going on with Walmart. "Most major retail chains that compete for customers with low prices pay relatively low wages to hourly workers. But as the largest private employer in the world, with 1.4 million workers in the United States alone, Walmart bears outsized influence on American working opportunities: It has largely set the standards for similar companies. Low-level workers typically start near minimum wage, and have the potential to earn raises of 20 to 40 cents an hour through incremental promotions. Flawless performance merits a 60 cent raise per year under the policy, regardless of how much time an employee has worked for the company. As a result, a "solid performer" who starts at Walmart as a cart pusher making $8 an hour and receives one promotion, about the average rate, can expect to make $10.60 after working at the company for 6 years. The Walmart pay plan is organized around seven levels of job difficulty for hourly workers, called Position Pay Grades (PPGs), ranging from cart-pushers (Level 1) and cashiers (Level 3), to cake decorators (Level 4) and customer service managers (Level 6). Each subsequent pay grade offers 20 to 40 cents more than the previous level, according to the document. This means that the base rate of pay for a top hourly position at Walmart, like a check-out supervisor, is $1.70 more than that of the lowest paying job. Far more important is Walmart's insistence on keeping most hourly workers part-time, so as to avoid having to provide a variety of benefits, including health care, which are available to full-time employees. This formula has benefited company shareholders: Walmart’s profits rose 9 percent in the third quarter of 2012, to $3.64 billion, the company reported Thursday. Earlier this fall, the company’s stock hit a record high. But the compensation structure for hourly workers helps explain why many rank-and-file workers carry a sense of grievance that they have been denied a share of the spoils. How could a multi-billiionaire company such as this only afford to hand out one 40-cent raise per year to employees while the ones in the top portion of the hierarchy are riding high starting with the six-figure store managers?" said Joe Lyon, a former sales associate at a Walmart in Sterling Heights, Mich. A group claiming to represent tens of thousands of Walmart workers nationwide is planning strikes and other labor actions at as many as 1,000 stores on Black Friday, the biggest shopping day of the year. The actions are intended to protest what the group says are meager wages." Don't you just love "trickle Down" economics?
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