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Va:

You want to fix this economy right? Then we must make businesses earn what they want. After all, you are the one who keeps crying that you must command your wage... This is how you earn the ability to command a write off. By proving your loyalty to your countryman/woman.

If you want to be exploitative, then you can either live or die on your own. If you want to contribute meaningfully to your nation... Then you will be rewarded with write offs and be better able to invest more money into expanding your business which profits all, not just yourself.

What strikes me as the most hypicritical thing of the right is their claims of being more loyal to the flag... Yet their willingness to piss upon those who hold it up high and protect it. Businessmen don't protect anything but their bottom line... It is the people, the John doe that you will never know who is the ones keeping you free to exploit your workers... It is time the employers earn their wage or meet the unemployment line.

If the economy tanks as a result if the rich being unwilling ti adapt and pay a meaningful wage... then go socialist or further communist if we must, the business man chose that route by being exploitative.

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VB, the Krugman article explains it. His "corrected" chart shows percent of employed bottoming out below .59 last year, and in fits and starts making it to .60 just now.

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War is certainly a lousy way to create jobs, and job openings. Infrastructure building would be a lot better. People would be hired to do constructive work, not destructive mayhem.

A lot fewer people lose life and limb in the building of bridges and such, compared to combat on foreign soil.

And after a few years, you have a bunch of great things built, not a bunch of buildings demolished, people maimed and killed, along with ill will around the world.

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I actually had written something about that but deleted it.

I'm sure a small amount of it is from that, as the baby boomers have crossed into the Medicare age, but in order for what you're suggesting to account for it all, the growth of the 65-100 demographic would have to be 10 times that of the 16-65. I don't have hard numbers, but there's no way this is the case.

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VB, are you correcting for the increasing numbers of retirement-age people? They might be inflating your "not in labor force" population.

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Robert:

It is really clear here that you have no idea what a "write off" is. If you did, you'd understand that denying them would doom almost every business in the country.

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btw I'm not denying that September's numbers were OK. But it's just one data point. To argue a "return to trend" is, I think, a little bit of cheerleading.

Next jobs report will be Friday Nov.2, not giving people a lot of time to digest it before election day. It will also include a revision of September's jobs report (completely normal). If the revision is something like "yep, it really was that way... and look.. October's is better), then, well, maybe we're on to something here. But if it's a major revision of September numbers and October still stinks (this happens too) it'll make a lot of noise in the days prior to the election.

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Fjep:

No, the crashes are everyone's fault. From employers and their subsadized labor (working employees who are not making enough to not be on the safty net) to governments going to war on the national credit card and not imposing harsh war taxes.

In regards to the above employers, they should not look for any tax write offs. If they will not employ and pay a fair days wage for the days work... Then they do not deserve the governments help to stay in business.

In regards to nations at war without national drafts and war taxes, such nations deserve the bad economies which follow. If the war is just, if the war must be fought... The people will pay the price and the government will execute the war with all due brutality that war should process.

The social saftey net allows our nations to exist and not become third world nations... But if business will abuse this saftey net, then they should not be allowed the luxury of tax exceptions and write offs. This includes all who are invested into these companies and those leading the company.

Thus if Microsoft employes janitors who qualify for any social saftey net program... The entire corporation should not be permitted to file for any write offs. (nore should anyone invested into Microsoft.)

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As I said - it's not the case with THIS particular number, but most of it has been: Hopefully it formats OK on here. All numbers in thousands. And yes, one could say I'm cherry-picking too.

Date in labor force not in LF employed Unemployment rate Jan 09 154,236 80,502 142,187 7.8 Sep 12 155,063 88,710 142,974 7.8 Change +827 +8,208 +787 0

The ratio of the growth of the non-labor force to the labor force is 10:1. I find this a little bothersome. The labor force participation rate was pretty much flat at 66% through most of the 2000s, but has been steadily inching down to the mid-63s.

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VaBeach, if you're so inclined, there's a link on that blog page to the BLS page. I think I can tell when numbers have been cherry picked; maybe you can find some cherries.

For some months, Krugman has been using that ratio to normalize the employment rate, for the reason you stated: people stop looking. Until now, he hasn't declared any real employment recovery. In fact, he's been expressing dismay for years about why Obama has not made employment the top priority in recovery.

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