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8, in fifty years on this earth I have never personally known a Jewish person who asserts that their people are chosen for anything other than persecution. But I have known plenty of Christians who say with a polite smile that anyone who does not accept Christ as a personal savior is doomed to eternal damnation. We could go through other religions and sects and find the same kind of superiority attitude in many. In most cases, it is only zealots who believe this nonsense, and they always give rise to straw man arguments and silly over-generalizations like you have exhibited here.

PP, you are uninformed about the people of Gaza choosing Hamas. Hamas won the election because like many other extremists groups, they were highly disciplined and tightly controlled the candidates so that only one ran in any region. Fatah spit the majority vote and the extremists took over completely. More Gazans likely died from Hamas' violent overthrow of Fatah than from both Israeli invasions post-Sharon. Hamas has not allowed an election since. PP's contention that the Jewish diaspora was not descended from the middle east is just silly. The historical record is clear. I wonder where he thinks they came from. Did European serfs decide to convert? Ha ha ha.

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"Fatah lost Gaza to Hamas..."

Hamas presumably got the largest fraction of the votes. That doesn't mean they now or ever represented the beliefs of the majority of Palestinians or Gazans.

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As far as settlements are concerned. While I do not support expansion in the West Bank. I always wonder pre Six Day war there were no settlements. But terror was alive and well. Why?

Robert is correct when he states that, the Palestinians have to prove that peace is in their forefront, by electing Hamas in a free democratic election the people spoke. The anti Israel groupies who apologize on behalf of terrorists will never tell you that the charter of Hamas calls for the death of the 'Yehuds.' It does not advance their agenda.

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"One man, one vote, one time. This is the reality of the new Middle East."

You believe in a one state for both people?

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Everything that has happened to the Palestinians has been a result of their own arrogance which is traced back to and is only important upon the date of Israel's second establishment was. 1948.

If the Palestinians and Arabs chose peace, they very well likely would have had a nation... But they chose war. When you want to be a brute.... You don't get to make excuses for your continued violence... You don't have a excuse worthy of being listened to.

They had a chance for a peaceful two state solution and chose war. Before I will support any pressure to be placed upon Israel, the Palestinians MUST prove that they can control their own nation by controlling their own radicals.

This means no more missiles launches, no more suicide bombers, no more religious leaders preaching for war against Israel. It means real meaningful acts by the Palestinians to show that they are sorry for their acts of arrogance sense the creation of Israel.

Then and only then should we say anything against Israel for defending itself against the terrorist that the Palestinian people support with inaction.

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PP, So many ppl want to say what you said, but they would be commtting political or career suicide. Nobody wants their name or company or what have you, called anti-semitc for saying anything near what you said.

The jews brainwash the world into their plight by calling themselves the chosen ppl. Really? Seriously? "God" creates universes, but has a favorite group of earthlings? What kind of self-serving, prophesy do they need to make up next to have ppl scared to go against "god's chosen"?

Until these christians live following the bible 24x7, not a pick a pull type of thing, I'm not buying it. They are only christian when convenient.

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maritimers...none of that happened in a vacuum. The people elected Hamas because they perceived they were the most capable of protecting them from daily airstrikes with cluster bombs. The US once occupied most of Western Europe, should we be evicting Germans to create settlements in Hamburg? Didn't we live on the verge of Nuclear war for 4 decades because the USSR occupied eastern Europe? Is japan the 51st American state? Again....Israel exists because of a UN mandate, they WILL behave like a member of the world community, there free pass is over with

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PP's observations are as one-sided and lacking in balance as those by the knuckleheads who rant in defense of the stars and bars. I can understand his angst about the Israelis exerting their superiority over the Palestinians in so many ways. But to portray the Palestinians as historical victims in this conflict is utterly laughable.

Fatah lost Gaza to Hamas. Hamas has never allowed another election. The Pals are victims of one government that is and always has been deeply corrupt and another government that is purely extremist.

One man, one vote, one time. This is the reality of the new Middle East.

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You continue to make excuses for the Likud neo Nazi apartheid government, and you are clearly in denial that it's days are numbered. As long as Israel is ruled by a terrorist regime, it will continue to be the most terrorized hated nation on Earth, until one day soon (I give it 5 years, tops) the international community will decide FOR the Israelis to dispose the Likud terrorists, unless they do it for themselves. The Palestinians make no excuses, their goal has been the same all along, to rightly reclaim the territory occupied by the radical Zionist, and more and more each day, they have the support of the world I'll say it for the fourth time......THE HOLOCAUST EXTORTION AND GUILT RANSOM has been paid in full. Never again should Americans have to watch 3000 other Americans die as they did on 9/11, because of a policy of supporting a neo Nazi regime playing out a bronze age myth and their obscene atrocities against the people of Palistine It's days are numbered

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Isreal has their lands, and if they want it back... They must pay the price. *

Israel has it's own land, not the palestinian lands. palestinians refused the offer of lands and instead chose to attack innocent civilians. You are however right when you state that, it is up to the palestinians to learn civility and stop terrorizing others. It is up to them to refuse to elect extreme terrorists like hamas. Never forget, that the palestinians voted for hamas in a free and democratic election. hamas is responsible for the deliberate attacks on innocent civilians. This translates to the fact that the palestinian people, palestinian civilians do not want peace, nor land, what they want is the annihilation of Israel.

Remember, had the palestinians agreed to the UN Partition, they would have had what they never had before, land.

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