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Israel has not responded to the Fogel family's brutal snuffing. Nor to the rape and murder of the two American tourists, one of which was not even Jewish.

Hiker is an antisemite.

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Well, it really depends on your definition of atrocities.

Certainly there has been some collateral damage during the retaliations.

However, I don't believe that the Israeli military has intentionally targeted the Palestinian civilian population as a way to achieve their Israel's political goals.

The same can not be said for the Palestinians.

This is certainly a much longer discussion than can be covered on the political section of a swingers board.

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Unreal, hiker is funny.

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As per the palestinians themselves, they are of Jordanian, Egyptian, Syrian and Saudi Arabian origin, mostly though Jordanians. Newt was spot on when he called them the invented people. The palestinians are the creation of Arabs who oppose Israel's existence. Without the palestinians, the arab world has no reason to be in conflict with the 'Yehuds.' EVERY SINGLE attempt at negotiating peace has resulted in the palestinians rejecting the offers.

Olmeret offered Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas an unprecedented peace offer, based on a return to the 1967 borders and a fair demographic land arrangement which would see heavily Jewish areas in the West Bank remain under Israeli control, with equal land swaps. A solution for Jerusalem, where the Jewish part would remain under Israeli authority and the Arab sections would be given to the jurisdiction of a Palestinian state. The Holy Basin would be demarcated under the rule of five different states with access available to believers of all religions. The offer was based on the agreements reached at a 2007 summit in Annapolis Maryland, and would be carried out in accordance with the Road Map for peace. Yet Abbas never found it in him to even acknowledge the offer.

The palestinians are not interested in peace.

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I rest my case...

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So is mine M but these people dont get it. They make it sound like oh well the Israelis brought all of this on them selves. Like in Europe in the 30's the statement you just made is used against them. Like well they were sheep and marched right in with out a fight. They brought it on them selves.

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and p.s. I think tbr is correct on this.

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Why Lucky? Because history repeats itself, and Jews sat silently as they got rounded up and marched into gas chambers. Because very few Jews fought as they and their families were being tortured experimented on, and blamed for all the earth's wrongs. To do nothing is to support and allow antisemitism to spread without a challenge. You know me, I'm not a quitter, I'm a fighter, and my sense of right and wrong is strong.

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Why are you wasting your time with ignorance M? They will never understand.

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A good friend of mine was born in Kuwait to Palestinian parents who had lived and worked in Kuwait for many years. Like many countries, citizenship is not bestowed by birthright. After living there for decades, their residency was not renewed after the dust settled from the liberation post-Iraqi occupation (I don't know how this works - basically, they had to leave) and they literally had nowhere to go, as they had no citizenship of any country. Canada took them, and they moved there, became citizens, although she has since moved to the US and became a chemistry professor.

During the time I knew her, we talked a lot about the issue and what potential solutions there are. She admits she doesn't know what the solution is that would actually work, as there is probably no such thing as a solution which would make enough people happy on either side to achieve a lasting peace. She of course was fed the Arab version of the story during her time living there, although her stance softened considerably after living on this side of Atlantic for a while. Last I talked to her about this, her opinion was exactly the same as mine. Our grandchildren's grandchildren will not live to see the end of this story.

Perhaps the only issue that can be resolved is to address the problem of stateless Palestinians scattered in other Arab states who have no country that will accept them as citizens. Any thoughts on this problem? The great majority of these Palestinians, I imagine, simply want to live their lives and escape the fugitive state most of them were just born into.

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