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Lucky,

I am sorry that you had to justify yourself in such a fashion because there are still some 'cerebrarlly' challenged juveniles who cling to the stupidity of sides. I have learned to resent that accusation, and find that those who need to resort to such pettiness are just not able to keep up. Instead of educating themselves about what took place, they resort to the easy way out of accusing people and diverting from the topic. I guarantee you, that whomever it was that challenged you, has no idea where the West Bank, or Gaza is on the map, I guarantee you that this individual has no clue what these people are call nor the proper name for the Israeli citizens, heck, I'm certain that person has no clue what the capital of Israel is, nor where the US embassy is.

On the other hand, I appreciate your story, you know how I feel about that. We lost many family members in the Holocaust, predominantly from my mother's side. This is the first time that you see me speak about that. Worth mentioning that not all of them were Jewish, but were executed because they were married to Jews or hid them in their homes. Most died, like most Jews, without a fight. My grandfather though, and his twin fought and survived. One for the Red Army, the other with the Jewish partisans :). Both were wounded, and both survived due to the kindness of others who risked their lives by helping my grandfather and his twin brother.

As to going to Israel, it is very expensive. It's an 11 hour flight, a roundtrip is around $1,500 pp. You can probably get away with staying in Kibbutzim while exploring Israel, which would be significantly cheaper than staying in hotels.

I've touched on the topic of why I'm an atheist many times, I don't think that I need to do it again.

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Well now I switched sides? M and I both believe in a free and independent state for Palestinians and Jew's alike. I believe that both people can live in peace. I believe that the Palestinians should have their own state. And any such state should be recognized by the rest of the world. The same for Israel is true.

In what way did I switch sides? I would argue how it can be accomplished. I would argue being a Jew is not a sometime thing it is an always fact. M is an atheist born to a Jewish family. In which she decided on her own to deny. Which is her right to do. Never have we disagreed on her belief that Israel should be an independent state. And never have we disagreed on how the region has come to the place where they are.

My Fathers family was Ukrainian Jewish and they lost many at the hands of Nazi's. Many escaped before the Operation Barbarosa and made it to England and were fortunate to make it to America before the gates closed for Jewish refugees. Because my fathers dad made it here in 1923 when my dad was born he was able to see for him self what subhuman really means. In 1944 my Dad landed at Mormandy and was wounded and spent the rest of the war in the rear following the invasion force close in on Germany. He helped round up Germans to help clean up and collect evidence at 2 concentration camps. Of which he never spoke about. My dad saw the destruction of many as an aftermath and walked away from from the religion of his father and all religion. He never regained his mothers trust and she took her anger to the grave.

I have never been to Israel like M has but would like to go and see where it is I came from. Never could afford it. Who knows maybe some day I will. Not Israel but where my core being has come from.

I will fight for the right for all people to exist and their God given right to do so. Including the Palestinian people.

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People who target innocent civilians are subhumans, people who slice the throats of newborns are subhumans, people who blow themselves in civilians areas are subhumans.

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Wasting reasoning and debating with such unreasonable ppl, is like pumping snake oil or medicine into a corpse.

She just opened this as a bitch-feat, not to listen to opinions diff from what's been pumped to her head for 40 yrs.

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Having had both sides of my ethnicity referred to as subhuman as some time in the past, I try as best I can to refrain from referring to other people, individually or collectively, as such...

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p.s. I clarified it for your BFF who thinks that everybody that are pro Israel are believers of god. Be a nice old man, and scroll down to find it, it's there, the post about whom I call subhuman.

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Oh please, try to troll someone else, for instance, your partner might buy your stupidity and attempts at trolling, the rest of us have seen your kind and are not buying it. In all my years here, I have not once stated that palestinians are subhumans.

Now here is a lesson for you old man:

30% support violent "resistance."

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But 70% prefer diplomatic engagement. That doesn't mean they are peaceful, just that they don't support violence right now.

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No worries, I don't think of you as brilliant either.

You have not answered, where did I state that palestinians are subhumans, try not to throw shiny coins around. I don't have ADD.

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For an elderly dude who prides himself and tries to shove down everybody's throat how brilliant you are, you sure do appear to need a refresher in reading comprehension!

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Right, so where does it say that I think that palestinians are subhumans?

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