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User Details are only visible to members.	Robert...first of all, it is ISRAEL'S claim that they have been promised this land by GOD and that they are his chosen people and thus entitled, not mine, so it is fitting and appropriot that I point out it is a false claim Second, please stop acting as if Likud is a rational reasonable entity open to negotiation on a two state solution, they are not, their charter dictates "No Palestinian state west of the Jordon River" Third, you statement that the "Arabs" tried to finish Hitler's work is at best hyperbole. Finally, you continue to gloss over the fact that it is a documented historical fact that the 1954 war was indeed started by Israel who used a false flag attack as justification, and that in fact the state of Irrael was founded on a foundation of terrorism that matches anything the Palestinians have done, and in most cases, far exceeded it. Again...Bibi took a cold slap in the face in this past election and to his credit, president Obama along with other world leaders while acknowledging Israel as an ally, have made it clear they can no longer maintain an apartheid government, commit war crimes, and violate international law with impunity....The expiration date on the guilt ransom has expired, Again, NO American is safe either on our own soil or around the world, becuse of our past Israeli policies,,,enough is enough
Elk Grove Village IL			Username hidden (2614 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	You can put 100 "experts" from the Middle East, Africa, UK, and America in a room... and you might get 99 different stories, if you're lucky. Its so easy, its "mental", half-pun... But, who is going to give up land? They are practically brothers... Even the Hatfields and McCoys shake their head at this pissing contest.
Tempe AZ			Username hidden (2032 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	8inch: "Cliff Notes: Israel and Palestine Land Dispute written by Robert Hill illustrations by Robert Hill CD audio narration by Robert Hill" lol
Hazle Township PA			Username hidden (4842 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Cliff Notes: Israel and Palestine Land Dispute written by Robert Hill illustrations by Robert Hill CD audio narration by Robert Hill
Tempe AZ			Username hidden (2032 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Party: Ok... Blood linage dictates the right of a nation to defend itself against continued attacks? To exist? Ok... Please inform the native Americans that every mix breed human in the US is about to load up on ships and invade Europe, Asia and Africa... Because we don't have a claim to the US either. Linage is meaningless and it is insanity to bring it up in any conversation as it isn't useful in a debate. Those who do bring it up are creating a situation in which no peace maybe found as you are demanding that those you deem unworthy of that land because they have no blood ties to it ought to go away. The Palestinians didn't have a nation before 1948, the dirt belonged to England by right of conquest. They saw that they were a dying empire and chose to do the right thing when they could no longer control the lands.... They tried to divide it up between the two powers in the lands. The Arabs wouldn't dead so England dealt with the only group left. The Jews who lived there. The Arabs took a temper tantrum and tried to finish Hitlers work.... They failed and the Palestinians paid the price... As a nation who loses a war ought to pay a steep price... More so when they start the fight. You don't work with people taking temper tantrums. If they are an adult, you slug them across the face knocking them to the ground and tell them that to leave the proceedings and only return when they have manned up to the fact that they aren't getting everything that they want. If they are a child, you put them over you knee and give them a reason to take a temper tantrum, then tell them that they are grounded until they can state clearly what they want and that they aren't going to get everything that they want. England did this to the Palestinians and they chose to become violent. They and five other Arab nations chose to attack Israel and Israel nearly lost that war... A war the international community failed to hold accountable the Palestinians and Arabs. Why did the international community not hold the Arabs accountable? Because they have oil, the new gold... Black gold.
Hazle Township PA			Username hidden (4842 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Robert..I am not anti Israel, I am anti Likud, anti revisionist history and anthropology, and against Americans constantly being in harms way on our own soil, and squandering Billions of dollars and potential positive relations with other nations because of our policies on a nation which represents 1% if the worlds population...Whose historical claim to the territory in question is totally inconsistent with history, genetics and reality. It borders on the insane. I will say this once, and if I am labeled racist or anti Semite for telling the truth, so be it. Even if you belive the Jews are God's chosen people The modern day Jews are NOT, I say again, NOT, the blood linage of the Jews of the old testament. The Jews of the old testament were Nubian and Ethiopian, the modern day Jew ate the lineage of Turkik tribes who migrated into eastern Europe who picked up Judism along the way because nether the Muslims or Christians would have them. They were considered odd and "oriental" by both, but they were by faith at least in part monotheistic, thus Judaism was incorporated into their culture. In 1940, 3% of the population of Palestine were even these latter day Jewish converts, so the entire HOMELAND ruse is faux. having said that, the reality of 2013 is that there is a State of Israel, and it has a right under UN mandate to exist, the only difference will be, and this is becoming more and more international orthodoxy, that they will be held to the same standards as any other nation
Elk Grove Village IL			Username hidden (2614 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Party: 1) The US did far worst than what the Israelis have done sense 1948. You simply don't hear much of it because we didn't let many survive and the world wasn't watching nearly as closely. 2) Between the US and the Soviets.... We have likely racked up more deaths than Stalen and Hitler combined. 3) Israel had to be so tough, because they were nearly wiped out three times. 4) You seem to be totally anti Israel, and this will never lead to a solution. No one is against a two state solution... Only trying to build something as complex as a nation, while that nation is at war with both itself and anything not radical Islamic enough.
Hazle Township PA			Username hidden (4842 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Robert....by those standards, if other nations of the world were allowed that much latitude in lashing out against acts their enemies "might" commit, mankind would have never survived the cold war. The other issue that everyone wants to avoid...WHY are we spending Billions and staking the security of the world based on Bronze age myth? The Israelite have had a homeland for 6000 years, it is now known as Ethiopia, sorry if they find the indigenous non Jewish population and the amenities insufficient, but the US and the world has signaled we are DONE compromising our wealth and blood so Likud can play out a 2000 year old myth they have no actual linage to
Elk Grove Village IL			Username hidden (2614 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Party: "When was that exactly? When they started the 1954 war with a staged false flag attack?" From 1950 to 1956, Israel was being attacked by terrorist from Egypt and the surrounding areas. in 1956, Israel joined with England and other nations to reopen the Suez Canal. So Israels enemies chose to attack first and yes, economic attacks are grounds for a nation to strike back. "When they without provocation invaded 4 of their neighbors in 1968? When they routinely violate the sovereignty of Lebanon on almost a daily basis?" Tensions rose and Arab nations refused to recognize Israels right to exist... In fact Arab nations attempted to deprive Israel of its own waters and Egypt began closing the Red sea. Again, push, counter push. The Arabs pushed the wrong people and got stumped. You do not pick a verbal fight with a bigger person unless you know you can either out run or out gun them.... The Arabs chose to squeeze Israel's resources and Israel rightfully retaliated. Think not? Lets put your balls into a vice and see if you won't react. "When they without provocation bombed a Palestinian community center in Tunisia? " The PLO were operating out of Tunisia and as both the PLO and Israel were at war with each other... Israel attacked their enemies. I do not shed tears for people who are hurt when they ally with or otherwise allow those who pick fights to enter their homes. "When during the 2nd intifada, they crammed 106 innocent people into a building and then dropped a bomb on it?" Lets rain hell down upon your neighborhood, make your children fear going outside or to school for damn near 40 years... Lets see if you will act purely and without hate. Bottom line is that the Palestinians have chosen war for the last 70 years and if they continue... I won't shed a tear or ask questions of the Israelis. The Palestinians need to learn humility and understand that if you lose a war, you don't gain what you want by killing uselessly. If Israel wanted the Palestinians dead, they had a great many opportunities to do it over the last 70 years. They chose to try and teach people who filled their hearts with hate and anger because they know not humility. "When they evict people at gunpoint without process from their property to create 'settlements" If the Palestinians worked with England in 1947, the settlements would have been Palestinian settlements. But instead they chose ignorance, they chose stupidity and war and they lost lands. That is the price of war and if the Palestinians do not choose to become adults and self police what they have left, I will support Israel's decision to evict the remaining Palestinians from what they have left and dump truck them into the neighboring countries. Sounds tough? It is. It is the only way you deal with a brute. You beat them to the ground, you stop onto their balls, and then you bash their face in or otherwise disable their ability to kill. When dealing with groups of people, you don't have the luxury of being kind to the civilians... It becomes the civilians duty to their cause to self police. To route out the radicals that bring the wrath of others upon their nation and hang them from the roof tops. "Ummmm....WHO has a culture of hate and death?" In this case, the Palestinians. They refuse to self police, killing or imprisoning their radicals who preach hate and death. So they have Garner no sympathy from me.
Hazle Township PA			Username hidden (4842 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Robert...Israel tried to stop shooting? When was that exactly? When they started the 1954 war with a staged false flag attack? When they without provocation invaded 4 of their neighbors in 1968? When they routinely violate the sovereignty of Lebanon on almost a daily basis? When they without provocation bombed a Palestinian community center in Tunisia? When during the 2nd intifada, they crammed 106 innocent people into a building and then dropped a bomb on it? When they evict people at gunpoint without process from their property to create 'settlements" Ummmm....WHO has a culture of hate and death?
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