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FJ,

Congress is Republican. Likud=Republican. Netanyahu is a Likudnik.

AIPAC is HUMONGOUS, if you aren't deeply involved in the I/P and Middle East, you have no idea just how powerful AIPAC is. Though Jews are a very small percentage of the American voter, they are ENORMOUS financial contributors in each American election. Most recent American Presidents have campaigned in Israel, why do you think that is? :). In addition, each year, AIPAC sends a lot of Congress members and other politicians (Ex: Christie) to Israel on their dime. Each year AIPAC has a meeting that US Presidents attend and speak.

Just think, one hand washes the other and together we wash our face :).

I stand by my previous statement, if Israel goes at Iran, Obama will not see a second term.

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Of course, cuz your favorite websites would blame israel's hate and bullshit on Obama.

Those lunatics have been at this shit for... Let's just say a couple of millenniums over three (bible, koran, torrah) dumb fucking books claiming they are all "god's chosen ppl and correct" -- yet Obama will be the fall guy.

Do you rehearse this bullshit, get it from your "fair and balanced" watch dog websites, or just make it up on the fly.

And you really wonder why ppl think all 3 of those groups are AS NUTTY AS SQUIRREL SHIT?

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M, I am not so sure, Obama is the ultimate spinner of events. And his sheeple as we have seen here will buy almost anything he sells.

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If Israel strikes Iran, Obama can kiss his second term good bye.

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JERUSALEM, Aug 10 (Reuters) - Israel's prime minister and defense minister would like to attack Iran's nuclear sites before the U.S. election in November but lack crucial support within their cabinet and military, an Israeli newspaper said on Friday.

The front-page report in the biggest-selling daily Yedioth Ahronoth came amid mounting speculation - fueled by media leaks from both the government and its detractors at home and abroad - that war with Iran could be imminent even though it might rupture the bedrock ties between Israel and the United States.

"Were it up to Benjamin Netanyahu and Ehud Barak, an Israeli military strike on the nuclear facilities in Iran would take place in the coming autumn months, before the November election in the United States," Yedioth said in the article by its two senior commentators, which appeared to draw on discussions with the defense minister but included no direct quotes.

Yedioth said the top Israeli leaders had failed to win over other security cabinet ministers for a strike on Iran now, against a backdrop of objections by the armed forces given the big tactical and strategic hurdles such an operation would face.

"The respect which in the past formed a halo around prime ministers and defense ministers and helped them muster a majority for military decisions, is gone, no more," Yedioth said. "Either the people are different, or the reality is different."

The war talk is meant, in part, to stiffen sanctions on Tehran - which denies seeking the bomb and says its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes - by conflict-wary world powers. Israel and the United States have publicly sought to play down their differences, the latter saying military force would be a last-ditch option against Iran.

A Reuters survey in March found that most Americans would support such action, by their government or Israel's, should there be evidence Iran was building nuclear weapons - even if the result was a rise in gas prices.

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But U.S. President Barack Obama, seeking re-election in November, has counseled against what he would deem premature Israeli unilateralism. He recently sent top officials to try to close ranks with the conservative Netanyahu.

The Yedioth article said, without citing sources, that some government advisers in Israel and the United States believed a pre-November strike might "embarrass Obama and contribute to Romney's chances of being elected."

Yedioth said the aim of an initial Israeli attack on Iran could be to trigger an escalation that would draw in superior U.S. forces - but described Barak as dismissive of this theory.

"He believes that America will not go to war, but will do everything in its power to stop it. It will give Israel the keys to its emergency (munitions) stores, which were set up in Israel in the past." Yedioth said.

Netanyahu, apparently trying to avoid being seen as meddling in U.S. politics, has voiced gratitude for cross-partisan support of Israel in Washington, while insisting his country remains responsible for its own security.

Haaretz, an influential liberal Israeli newspaper, quoted an unnamed senior official in the Netanyahu government as saying the Jewish state - widely assumed to have the region's only atomic arsenal - potentially faced a greater danger from Iran than on the eve of its 1967 war with several Arab neighbors.

That thinking seems to be gaining ground domestically.

A poll published on Friday by the mass-circulation Maariv daily found that 41 percent of Israelis saw no chance of non-military pressure on Iran succeeding, versus 22 percent who thought diplomacy could work.

While 39 percent of Maariv's respondents said dealing with Iran should be left to the United States and other world powers, 35 percent said they would support Israel going it alone as a last resort - up from previous polls that found around 20 percent support for the unilateral option.

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Court charges eight Israeli-Arab residents of Nazareth, Ghajar for helping transfer explosives; Shin Bet official says foiled operation would have needed Nasrallah's approval, adds: This is just the tip of the iceberg.

A series of Hezbollah terror attacks inside Israel were foiled recently by the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) after a group of Israeli-Arabs helped smuggle 20 kilograms of high-grade explosives into Israel.

On Wednesday, eight residents of Nazareth and the town of Ghajar - half of which is in Israel and the other half in Lebanon - were charged in the Nazareth District Court with assisting in the infiltration of the explosives.

The 20 kg of C-4 explosives - each kilogram was wrapped separately and could have been used to assemble a separate bomb - were smuggled into Israel in a single bag by a number of residents of Ghajar on June 5.

The bag was transferred a few days later to a resident of Nazareth, Abed Zoabi - another known drug dealer - who hid the bag in his backyard where it was captured by the Israel Police in mid July.

"The explosives could have been used against any type of target inside Israel," a senior Shin Bet official said on Wednesday. "This is just the tip of the iceberg of Hezbollah's efforts against Israel...the attempted attack here and the recent attack in Bulgaria are all carried out by the same organization."

The Shin Bet official said that such an operation - to infiltrate explosives into Israel from Lebanon - would have needed approval from the top Hezbollah echelon, including likely from the organization's leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah.

The official said that it was possible that Hezbollah was working with other people to recruit terrorists who would then be used to carry out the attacks. So far, the Shin Bet has not arrested anyone who was supposed to carry out the actual attacks.

Zoabi, according to the Shin Bet, was in touch with a Lebanese drug dealer named George Nimer who has ties with Hezbollah and instructed Zoabi to hold on to the bag of explosives. Nimer told Zoabi that someone would contact him in the near future to collect it.

The Shin Bet said that there was concrete intelligence linking Nimer to Hezbollah and specific operatives in the organization.

Zoabi and Nimer spoke by cellphone after two of Zoabi's friends helped smuggle Israeli SIM cards to Jordan where they were then transferred to Lebanon.

One of the suspected drug dealers arrested in Ghajar, Shahid Ibrahim, received the bag and hid it for a short time in a field he owns near the village. Ibrahim's brother-in-law is Said Kahamuz, an Israeli citizen and former resident of Ghajar who fled to Lebanon in 2006 as he stood trial for drug smuggling into Israel.

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An increasing number of nightmarish scenarios include Syria getting involved with its chemical weapons. One sees the regime transfer its chemical weapons to Hezbollah, or have other radical Islamist groups raid its stockpile or attack neighboring states. Neither the Jewish state nor the United States could afford to allow a non-state armed group to obtain a true chemical or biological weapons capability. Aside from a likely devastating war with Israel, chemical weapons in the hands of Hezbollah could also affect Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and other oil-rich or otherwise strategically significant parts of the Middle East, where rumblings are already underway amongst their Iranian-allied Shiite populations.

Another scenario would see Syria unleash its chemical weapons onto its own people, and perhaps on Israel as well for cover, in a last ditch effort to quell the revolution. Taking no chances, Israel has re-issued gas masks to residents near its northern border, and along with the United States it has publicly announced concern for the safekeeping of Syria's well known WMD programs. If Syria attempted to launch a chemical attack it would almost certainly lead to a preemptive attack by Israel.

Any of the abovementioned scenarios would have serious implications for much of the world. Oil prices could spike significantly. The United States could quickly be sucked into a conflict it has taken great pains to stay away from thus far. U.S. deterrence could diminish. As the civil war in Syria comes to a head, the likelihood of the region descending into chaos grows.

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For the Iranians, Syria is critical to the realization of its geopolitical goals, and perhaps even its very survival. The fall of the Assad regime would have disastrous consequences for them, and as a result it is apparently actively collaborating with Hezbollah agents to prop up the dying regime. Syria today serves as a conduit to the Iranian-backed Hezbollah, which is considered by the U.S. and Israeli governments to be a terrorist organization, and which was most recently linked to the suicide bombing of Israeli tourists in Bulgaria. Syria assists the Iranians in subverting both military and economic sanctions that have targeted Iran's nuclear ambitions, allowing that country to maintain its financing, purchase Russian military hardware, and smuggle banned technologies. And Syria has served as a moral ally against the interests of Israel, the Sunni-Arab world, and the United States.

So what might the Syrian regime do if it feels its back pushed even harder up against the wall? An increasing number of scenarios point to a potential war with Israel. One setup would see the Syrian regime attack Israel in an effort to divert international attention. The Syrians have tested this before. Back in June of 2011 the regime bussed hundreds of Palestinian protestors to the heavily guarded Israeli border, which they subsequently stormed. Last month, nearly 500 Syrian soldiers with 50 military vehicles crossed into the demilitarized zone between the two countries. No shots were fired, though Israel did file a complaint with the United Nations. Israel is now publicly boosting its defenses on what had traditionally been a relatively quiet, albeit tense Golan Heights border. The Assad regime might once again attempt to hijack the Palestinian cause to further the benefits of such a dangerous move. This time around it could bus additional Palestinians to the Israeli border, and once again encourage them to storm it, this time in much greater numbers. Or it could simply attack Israel outright, in a last ditch hope to unite the Arab world around the regime.

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It's been over 16 months since the "Arab Spring" first reached the shores of Syria. 16 months of gun battles, defections and condemnations that have slowly loosened the iron grip of the ruling Assad regime. With heavy fighting in the capital of Damascus, and with much of the country now in the hands of opposition forces, it would appear as though one of the most authoritarian regimes on earth is on its way to way to total collapse. For many people around the world, that country's civil war might not appear to have particular significance for them. Yet the troubles in Syria could quickly escalate, causing very real consequences felt worldwide.

There are many outside players involved in the current conflict. Turkey has played a lead role in supporting the opposition forces of the Syrian regime, which fall under the banner of the "Free Syrian Army." The Turks allow them to operate on Turkish soil, provide them with funding, and offer them military cover. Military and financial aid has come from many Sunni Arab countries as well, most prominently Saudi Arabia. Not surprisingly, there's been a rise in radical Islamists that have joined the fight against Syria in recent months. Aside from being aligned with Sunni extremists, these Islamist militants also happened to be dedicated, more regimented fighters than their many of their more secular comrades. Perhaps not coincidentally, the United States has therefore also supporting anti-Assad forces.

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Can I send you some tears thru private notes as well?

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