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under god isn't needed in a nation which recognizes the gods of all people. Our strength as a nation should never come from religion, but rather each other as we are the nation.

When we send our young to fight our wars, we shed our blood, we as a nation bleed to protect the greater part of the nation. This is why war for profit, ego, or anything other than national survival, should be considered treason as the nation was never at risk.

God/god or anyones gods never descended upon the beeches, they never descended upon the camps in east europe of WWII. Men, godless and god fearing descended from the sky or ran up the beeches and died so to stop a enemy which intended to wipe out another group of people.

Until such time as all gods God or any other being greater than humanity itself answers for their lack of action... We should endeavor to wipe them out of our culture. They do not wish to be known for anything other than fear mongering (for example: wiping out cities or flooding the world.) Then we should not bother to worship them, or even give them a consideration.

If such beings will punish us for this, then I say we give them a reason to fear us as we plunge our swords into their chest and take their kingdoms for our own. That is our birth right, to conquer. It was given to us by the blood we shed and make others shed for our own profit... It was taught to us by these gods Gods or other... They should reap what they have sowed.

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Using the term 'god' is borrowing a proper noun from the teutonic language to refer to the deity of that culture. Using the term 'god' in a pledge is an attempt to appeal or enjoin a deity to approve of the pledge and confer success on the plan of action.

Since American politics now incudes a 'divide and conquer' class warfare strategy that implores divine blessing, it usage has become hypocritical.

The pledge should include a disclaimer by 'God Source' for any hypoctrical political/religious actions that misrepresent his/her/their true nature. That would effectively cancel the attempt of the Republic-con Party/Tea Party Taliban to invoke a god they do not know, but pretend is on their side.

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Well, to some people, god = allah, but they could still say "god" to mean that. To other people, it's mother earth, or money, or anything that invokes a sense of worship or dominance.

Rather than a room full of people pronouncing which god it is they're worshiping -- and of course you don't "pronounce" capitalization -- the finger-quote idea just seems funny. Or not.

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If you don't capitalize it, there's no reason to say it. Not capitalizing, or making finger quotes, is mocking, which I am also not OK with.

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Better yet, do those 'finger quotes' when you say it.

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"under god" doesn't bother me if you don't capitalize it when you say it.

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You sick fucks who hate the pledge can replace "Under God" with "Under Obama" or "Under Allah."

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Pledging to support one's country, symbolized in the presence of a flag, is a promissory commitment to one's civic representative duty. Adding reference to 'god' makes it an appeal to a divine being, making it a prayer.

Whatever the name or title or location of that 'god' prayed to is a mystery unless an entire document of representation by that deity is presented.

Religion in America has evolved beyond that of a community of trust about an atavistic belief that has become the basis of many denominations, all of whom have different interpretations and theological claims about their religion and deity. Many of those denominations have become as interested in the politics of their 'faith' than demonstrating the reality and supremacy of their 'deity.'

I would never pray to the god of Mormonism, and would reject prayer to god that included the crazy false claims of the Book of Mormon. The insane claims of Mormonism should be kept out of American politics entirely. Since today's pledge of allegiance includes any concept of 'god' it has been construed into a political/religious amalgam of pretentious supremacy.

NASA could be god. It has given America a view of our galaxy that shows a deep space not explained in any way by any world relilgion. I want a relgion that demonstrates the reality of a divine being, or no religion at all.

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More much ado about nothing. Just skip the words "under God". I know plenty of people who do.

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This is a hard thing to answer directly. Can one phrase make an entire statement mean something totally different? Can one word addressed to a nameless being corrupt the entire idea of freedom of religion?

Personally I find it to be a double prayer, one to the nation and one asking God (any god) to help protect the nation.

The pledge with under god is the newest version of the pledge which was written in 1892. (the newest version being rewritten in 1954)

Given the time period and our enemy at the time (communism) and how religious we are (where) at the time, the addition of under god could be considered an attempt to steer the nation away from any similarities of communism.

In my view, this over reaction has now back fired upon those who installed this rewrite as more and more people across the US are refusing to say the pledge out of a single phrase.

Simple fix? Remove the words "under god" and now it is a prayer to big government only.

Personally I do not like the fact that in court we must pray to a Christian god when we are sworn in, or how our elected officals often must use a bible to be sworn in. As if a being that ignored the events of WWII and didn't send its army of immortal angles to descend upon the beeches of Normandy... Is even going to care that we lie to it. (After all, we rape, pillage and all around break every one of those 10 commandments daily... or at the very least a number of them daily.)

But sadly the religious right would have a fit if we actually had a real separation of church and state.

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