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TOPIC: Imagine if the South had seceded and the Blue States were free of Grey-Red Conservatism
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All I want is the guy down the street to quit beeping his horn that plays dixie at me when I'm outside on a nice summer day................ hello born in PA, northern girl here we won the war get over it.

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Funlady:

OK, it would have taken the South, in your view, 50 years more to give up slavery. How long do you think it would have taken the South to give up legalized segregation and White Supremacy.

Remember the South did not give this up until 1964 when they were forced to do so by the federal government and Civil Rights legislation of 1964-1965.

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I believe the south would have abandoned slavery within 50 years due to the industrialization. I believe that the south would have been far better off, since it would not have been destroyed by the invasion of the Union armies. But, the world would have been far worse off since the USA would not have been strong enough to defeat the Japanese in WW2 or to have provided much of the material required to defeat Germany. Germany would have eventually lost, but the defeat would have been 3-4 years later and at the hands of the Soviet Union. Thus, the Iron Curtain would have fallen over all of europe.

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We've been having in various threads a debate over the Civil War, which is not irrelevant to today's politics.

The Red State-Blue State divide in the states east of the Mississippi mirrors quite closely the North-South divide in the Civil War, and swing states today are close to the border states of the Civil War era.

Note also: Texas entered the Union as a slave state and California entered the Union as a free state, and now Texas is a Red state and California a Blue state (with Southern California in the past being more Conservative than northern California as SoCal was settled more by people from the South).

The Liberal-Conservative debate or divide is also, at heart, on domestic issues, a division over the role of the federal government in our lives, with Liberals advocating a stronger role for government and Conservatives preaching against Big Government and getting federal government off our backs....and preaching for State Rights (and putting their idea of God into our lives).

This Liberal-Conservative split against mirror ideologically the North-South split of the Civil War, with the South resisting the power of federal government and wanting more local or state control (including the right to keep control over slaves and, yes, to pay lower tariffs or taxes).

During the Civil Rights era, again the South resisted attempts by the federal government to interfere with segregation and white supremacy just as the South resisted efforts by fed. gov't to interfere with slavery...and leading Conservatives (e.g., Goldwater, Reagan) all voiced opposition to the Civil Rights legislation of 1964 (as did GHW Bush in 1964).

So what if the South had seceded and if Lincoln had let them go? How long would it have taken the South to eliminate slavery and segregation and overcome white supremacy?

How liberal would the Blue/Northern states be without Southern conservatism to hold them back? Would Northern states all have universal health care and an unchallenged safety net for the poor? Would the North have unchallenged pro-choice and more effective gun control?

What would the South look like now if it had been free of what one poster calls "the raping" of the South by the North and from the politics of an "asshole"--Lincoln?

And in which section of the country would you want to live from 1861 onwards if you valued the Revolutionary principle: all men are created equal?

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