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TOPIC: History speaks for itself, we march forward
Created by: Robert_Hil
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Historically for as long as written history has existed, one fact remains undeniably clear. The wealth of kings and the powerful alike has been spreading across a greater cross section of the population.

The process by which this occurs has been historically one of two options. The wealthy provide or the government takes... The choice has been and remains in the hands of the wealthy, no new system will change this fact.

Math dictates that it is cheaper if the wealthy provide all who work for the with medical and the means of advancement. Why? Because you won't have to pay a government worker to take your money and the people won't have a need to ask the government to... You are providing.

One lesson of the past is that you cannot change it and the past leads us to the future. You may think that you choose your own future... 

But you aren't, you aren't important enough to choose your own future which can escape the gravity of history. In time the wealth of the rich will be more evenly spread, the minimums of a civilized society brought to the US.

How much you spend, how well received you are by the public... That is determined only by you and how well you provide and how much you force the public to command from you.

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Rn's down here are in short supply. Send them down. Avg. pay $22.00-$26.00 per hour.Oh that is USD

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Vacp:

Out of work lawyer: politician. Look at most of them. How many ever stepped foot in a court room?

Out if work Doctor? Nurses? Lol. Well doctors no, but I was using these professions as an example of how one must train their mind specifically for a career.

But nurses, there are a number if them, they typically get jobs in old folks homes or grocery stores. Three work in giants food... They were paid better at minimum wage than being on call 24/7 and working 36 hours straight... For 9USD and hour.

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Well I guess that is why I can keep a job and provide for my family.I am not a jack of all trades. I know 3 very well and have been able to provide very well for my family. And as far as being a trained worker you do not need college for that. But I guess at your age you really have not been out in the world long enough to understand what it takes to survive. I have been out working longer than you have been alive. Maybe once you get out and see what the world is all about you will come around. And as far as doctors lawyers and nurses I don't see many of them out of work so try again. Let me make one suggestion to you. Learn to adapt and overcome or your kind will become extinct one day.Your little world you live in will change from day to day.

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Vacp:

Apparently your lacking a college degree is why you are so disconnected for the professional working world.

A doctor, nurse, lawyer, teacher, and a few others which I haven't named are professional jobs which require a life long perfection of one or two related skill sets.

While you may have the skills to build an entire home, you aren't going to have everything to code... That takes a professional life long general builder who's skills aren't useful in a field alien to the construction trades.

Further and more pointedly for the college students... Your mind has been trained to work in a specific field... To think faster and more indepth into a single skill set.

This was why I used the analogy if the saw blade. If you are sharpened to do one task, then you cannot do others without dulling your blade... This makes you unproductive once you must do your designed function.

You might have skills, but a jack of all trades is worthless when collared to a sharp blade meant to do one thing. Even entry level employers will not care to read that you are a jack of all trades... They know you can't compete with the sharper, spcifically designed tool which is what they want.

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No I understood what you said. I have never been to college but I am a skilled worker.I have had to change my field of work a few times over the years but have always been able to provide for my family.A person should never stop learning how to do different kinds of work. They need to have more than one skill set in case as you say their field is not hiring.Just goes back to being lazy.

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Vacp:

It doesn't matter how well you paid attention in school, if you can't afford college, you aren't going to college.

Get a job? When unskilled jobs aren't providing the minimum to contribute to society, let alone provide for upward mobility... That demand of yours is the same as demanding an armless man to life 100 pounds with hands he doesn't have.

Your ignorance and arrogances is sickening.

Oh and learn to read. Everything I have said was that if the employer doesn't provide for his workers (which a growing number aren't and no minimum wage/entry level employer ) he will be forced to provide for the entire nation.

This isn't socialism... It is capitalism. You bought products (the time and labor ofthe employees you have) you either can provide for their needs on a meaningful bases so that they may spend and grow the economy... Or you can be forced to pay for the unemployed who are unemployed because you and the employers won't provide meaningfully to your employees and thus they spend and grow the economy.

A nations economy grows from the bottom up, never top down.

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So according to you. If a person works hard and makes money the government should be allowed to take his money and give it to the needy.No I understand you very well. You believe in socialism.This is not Sherwood Forrest.Let them pay attention in school and learn get an education.Go out get a fuck'n job and be a productive part of society instead of a drain on all the working people.We are all born with the same opportunity some just have to work on it harder to get out and make their life better.

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Vacp:

Apparently you failed to read what I wrote and or failed history class.

Capitalist is as old as humanity... Older really, our progenitors likely had some form of capitalism with their bartering. (trade of items with value)

Capitalism, socialism, communism... These aren't new. History shows that humanity has experimented with socialism and capitalism for hundreds of years. The US for example has never had a real capitalist system.

If the US did have such a system, the government wouldn't have the powers of imminent domain and the rail road companies couldn't have taken farm land from ranchers and farmers.

Instead what we have is, a form of socialism directed to empower businesses.

The problem you and others don't like is that the people have awaken to the fact that they can make our government work for us by demanding if our leaders to finally force the wealthy to do their duty... Provide for the workers... Or be forced to provide for the country.

Thus far the businessmen have chosen to be forced to provide for all... A the point of the governments legal system. Your failure to provide for the working man has lead the working man to team with the man you didn't hire and both of their voices out about your own.

This is why the only remark you could have invented was to cry "he's a commi!"

Fact, the starving man doesn't care for flags, he cares for food. When you fail to provide medical, education and a fair wage... You starve the worker... And the starved worker will follow any radical who beings uncontrolled change.

So keep starving the workers, keep them ignorant and dependent upon the government... If you want socialism and communism to overtake this nation.

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The more you talk the more the Commie side comes out.

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Historically for as long as written history has existed, one fact remains undeniably clear. The wealth of kings and the powerful alike has been spreading across a greater cross section of the population.

The process by which this occurs has been historically one of two options. The wealthy provide or the government takes... The choice has been and remains in the hands of the wealthy, no new system will change this fact.

Math dictates that it is cheaper if the wealthy provide all who work for the with medical and the means of advancement. Why? Because you won't have to pay a government worker to take your money and the people won't have a need to ask the government to... You are providing.

One lesson of the past is that you cannot change it and the past leads us to the future. You may think that you choose your own future... 

But you aren't, you aren't important enough to choose your own future which can escape the gravity of history. In time the wealth of the rich will be more evenly spread, the minimums of a civilized society brought to the US.

How much you spend, how well received you are by the public... That is determined only by you and how well you provide and how much you force the public to command from you.

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