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Well I may surprise some people by saying this, but ultimately I feel that Health Care should not be capitalized. I feel that it should be a very basic service that we the people should all invest in. This is not an economic arguement but more of a personal perspective. I just don't think you should worry about a 300 dollar doctor bill if you want to go and get a medical checkup. People worry about money when it comes to taking care of their health and often times don't visit the doctor's office as often as they should. We live in a great country where most people do have gainful employment. However most people live on a budget and it's difficult to find affordable health care that would fit alot of peoples budget. For me it boils down to taking care of one another and valuing life. I don't believe in "the survival of the fittest" when it comes to who should live and die. We should value the lives of all our citizens and encourage long and healthy lives. It would help if people made better choices regarding their health, however, in light of the fact that we are human, bad choices are just a fact of life. So we can either passively punish those bad choices by allowing fellow Americans to not be covered. Or we can find a way to cover all Americans and allow every citizen to have access to basic health care without worrying about going into debt. Things that are non-life threatening should be kept commercal as they are just minor incoviences rather than life shortening afflections. JMO. I have no idea how we can achieve this, but I feel we have enough brilliant minds in this country to find a way if we really want to.

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J and I work in one sector of the insurance industry, and we stay away from anything regarding health care, unless it is directly related to the liability sector.

First, it must be remembered that the US government is allowing the drug companies to abuse the free enterprise system in this country. In the US, drug companies blatantly tag on ALL their costs of research (which can be billions) onto the initial costs of all drugs. A drug that should cost $20 for 50 pills (and WILL cost that in about 10 years once the generic forms are produced) will easily cost $75-100 initially. In addition, there are laws preventing ANY generic drug to be manufactured to protect those very same markups for a certain number of years. I see no reason why costs can't be recovered, but I DO see reasons why this particular "benefit" to the drug lobby should be stopped immediately. This is the one main reason why people are clamoring to buy drugs from Canada - the government does not permit this type of price gouging.

In our part of the state, it is very difficult to find a doctor who can do even routine lab work or simple xrays in their offices, despite the fact that they have access to that equipment. Why? Because the major hospital in the northern part of this state controls the doctor's - I mean that in terms of, if the docs want operating and admission privleges in this hospital, they must send ALL lab work, xrays, etc., to that hospital, rather than do them in a cost effective manner in their office. That alone is costing Vermont consumers hundreds of thousands of dollars, not only in direct costs, but in increased medical insurance premiums.

I have no idea what others pay for health insurance, as most people get it through their employer. We, as employers, see the actual bill, regardless of what an employee may contribute. I can tell you right now, that J and I pay $350.00 MORE than a couple in San Francisco who are carrying the exact same coverage. Why? Because each state makes laws which govern the insurance companies who operate in their state. In Vermont, the law says that insurance companies MUST cover everyone who applies to them for coverage. And there are only three health insurance companies who will comply with that law, hence higher rates than most other states. S

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I think they still do I can't seethem screwing with words for food.

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"LOL Tri…. That’s what you get when you have a nationally required language and make it illegal to use “foreign terminology” in the national language. (Try the translated version of hard-drive.)"

Dammit they have America and pie in their language! (All I can think of is some poor French guy walking into the video store wondering why in the hell an apple pie with a hole in it was on the cover.) :)

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"Well sure, but everybody in America knows that nothing that the rest of the world does is any good. That's why we have "freedom fries" now instead of French fries."

Hey, If France can call the movie "Le follies De Graduation" instead of "American Pie"...

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Well sure, but everybody in America knows that nothing that the rest of the world does is any good. That's why we have "freedom fries" now instead of French fries.

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While what you're saying is strictly true, Curious, you need to keep in mind that "less health care" doesn't necessarily have to mean less utilization by patients.

A lot of what drives health care spending is technology, and technology under our present system is not necessarily allocated very efficiently. If a hospital wants to have, for example, an MRI suite, it has to pay the fixed costs for acquiring and maintaining that the equipment regardless of how often it is used. In the recent past it was not at all uncommon for several hospitals within a radius of a few miles to each have an MRI unit, each of which was being utiliized less than 20% of the time. It would save a great deal of money in such circumstances to have one MRI unit operating at 80 or 90 percent of capacity, and while this would in a sense be "less health care" it would involve minimal, if any, decreased utilization of MRIs for the patients in the area.

The adoption of managed care in recent years has eliminated some of these sorts of inefficiencies, but at the price of rapidly increasing administrative expenses. A significant part of what we spend on "health care" now actually goes towards insurance company administrative costs and profits (that $40 million dollar salary for the CEO of Atena has to come from somewhere). If it were possible to reduce those costs in some way we could reduce health care spending without hurting anyone (except the CEO of Aetna, of course). Medicare actually operates with far lower administrative overhead than any private insurance company (due to massive economies of scale), so it's conceivable that a single-payer insurance system be more efficient than what we have now.

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I think if you want socialized medicine move to europe.. Its a disaster !!!!!!

can't even buy neosporine in the store or a band aide for your knee... you need a perscription...

I do not use modern medicine. Socialized healthcare would hinder my freedom to choose !!!!!!!!!!

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Health Care in this country is almost embarrasing. So many people don't go to the doctor's office simply because it's too expensive to get a check up. I was one of those people for most of my adult life. People should not have to choose between their light bill and their health insurance. So what is the logical alternative. Well If pennybuttons wouldn't mind I would like to qoute her idea and maybe get a few others.

"Socialism (government run agencies like in Canada) have too high an overhead to run anywhere near compatablely.

Government control is nessesary, but non-profit insurance companies are the only way to go.

Run them like an employee owned business, only there the owners are the members (users) of the insurance company, their are no stockholders, no need for profit. (If there is, it is reembursed back to the members.)

Allow multiple companies to suit the various needs people have or want, but require that all companies control the market together. (Governmental protection for these non-profit companies against possible profiters. Making all socialized medical services non-taxable.)

Multiple companies will also allow for individualism. Different companies can also specialize in higher quality/ quanity services, others providing the minimally required services.

You pick & choose between those offered, the only difference is "you must have" a health service provider. Requiring that all have health insurance insures that the costs of health care are not passed on to the government, but paid by the users.

Since also there would exist a variety in health coverages to meet all needs & desires (capitalistic system), the only logical reason for not having coverage is those persons with verifiable assets high enough to cover "all" possible needed medical care.

Pharma companies need to present their products to the governing board before they can be sold on the market. Service providers need to be registered and quality control insured.

Most of "socialized" medicine in Europe are set up this way & it has shown itself to be far better & cost efficent than "socialist" (government run) medicine."

Ok lets discuss.

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